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  1. #351102012-08-07 14:43:41 *Fieyr said:

    @Xyopq - Meh, it just seems a little overly complex. Too many steps. Too much red tape for something that, in the grand scheme of things, is not THAT important. It's not like we're trying to pick the leader of the free world here.

    I don't really like the idea of creating a group of users that can basically give a thumbs up or thumbs down as far as whether people after them can receive a badge. After all, absolute power corrupts absolutely right?

    You're also assuming that the current badge holders will even be present to make the decision. If you keep it in the hands of regular users, then you future-proof the process as well as automate it so that mods don't have to be involved except for during the occasional contest.

    If you simply make the number of nominations required to attain a badge high enough, then it seems that would be a valid measure of the community's will.

  2. #351122012-08-07 14:55:43Xyopq said:

    @Fieyr How about we start it at 1 vote per month, per user and the user needs 100 votes to receive the badge - simple to set up and can always be tweaked if need be?

  3. #351142012-08-07 15:05:09 *Fieyr said:

    @Xyopq - Yeah that's pretty much what I originally advocated for except for the modification that a user would have maybe 5 votes to spend per month.... but could only spend each each of those votes once per badge. In other words, if you voted to give me a badge, you would only be able to spend 1 vote towards that badge. And you would not be able to vote for anyone else for that same badge for the rest of the month.

    And I guess to simplify it further...

    The basic idea would be to pick 5 badges from all the badges and nominate 1 user for each badge. You can only nominate a single user for each badge (therefore you would have to assign each badge to 5 different users)

    Also, I think 100 might be a little high, but like you said, it can be tweaked. Other than that, I think that's a good approach to start out with.

  4. #351172012-08-07 16:03:41Warlock said:

    I'm leaning towards removing all current badges from the members. However, then we could have certain days we can hand them out to members. Mod/Staff badges should stay. I kinda think ex-mod badges should stay as well. Duck badge could be killed though.

    Group badges such as Corgi, and Old Chap could stay. I think we just need to organize the groups a bit more in a way that allows it to be more rewarding for the members and such.

  5. #351182012-08-07 16:15:13 *Fieyr said:

    @Kirn - Honestly I don't feel like exchanging any more big responses with you Kirn so I'll keep this short. I've already made my case. And don't worry, I didn't miss your point. Rather I'm proposing a new way to implement badges, regardless of whatever the original intent was behind them.

    Badges, in my opinion, should do 2 things.

    1. Recognize users for their accomplishments in contests.
    2. Incentivize users to make positive contributions to the site, not via direct measurable actions on the site (such as creating good posts) but through a consistent demonstration of the positive character attributes defined for each badge.

    First step?

    Scrap all badges except contest and position badges such as moderator/owner and start over from scratch. This time with an emphasis on creating badges that help to give insight into the positive attributes of that user that the community has decided to recognize them for.

  6. #351242012-08-07 17:20:11Fieyr said:

    @Kirn - While you wait, I suggest you also post a more concise statement of your vision for badges as well. Everyone needs to consolidate their thoughts in order to make the decision making process easier.

  7. #351272012-08-07 17:36:47 *Xyopq said:

    @Kirn I think the purpose of badges should either be for status, recognition or information.

    • Status if the user has a status which other people should know about (Mod, banned etc)
    • Recognition for participation or winning.
    • Information to show that the user has contributed or achieved things on the site that aren't competitions (Good Threads, Ex-Mod, Benefactor)

    So the things that we can agree on are:

    • Badges should revolve around a purpose
    • Pointless Badges should be scrapped or given more purpose
    • The way we get all badges should be clear, so no-one can argue that the person doesn't deserve it.

    I think our views all kind of go for the same points, we just have different ideas on the implementation.

  8. #351312012-08-07 17:52:26Fieyr said:

    @Kirn @Xyopq Definitely some very different implementations.

    Top down, moderator distributed, strict requirements for distribution, and activity based only.


    Bottom up, user distributed, distribution via a user controlled nomination process based on suggested guidelines, character and activity based.

    Does that sound right?

  9. #351382012-08-07 18:47:52 *Xyopq said:

    @Fieyr @Kirn

    I'm kind of in the middle. They shouldn't be mod distributed (at least most of them shouldn't) since then they would be accused of choosing favourites.

    Not strict requirements, but fair so no-one can disagree with the distribution of it.

    I'm not against character or activity badges as long as they serve a purpose and are not just given for the hell of it (otherwise everyone will want one and then what would be the point of it in the first place?)

  10. #351862012-08-08 08:03:53Fieyr said:

    @Kirn - Boooorrrriinnnnggg :P

    I agree with you both though regarding one thing.

    Unless they are actually serving a purpose, unless they can be implemented in such a way that they have meaning behind them, then there's really no point.

    If they could be set up that way, then it could be a fun, nice to have thing that would hopefully encourage user participation as well as positive contributions to the site.