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  1. A Question Of God


    #36712012-01-03 08:16:33AlphaHikari_1A14 said:

    I want to know what my colorless family thinks of God. Do you think he is real? Is he just BS made up by people to give them an excuse when bad things happen to them? Do you have more than one? Simple things like that are all I want to know. Just give me your opinion on it. Here is mine:

    God is definitely real to me. Simply because the Big Bang Theory and Evolution theories don't make sense to me. I learned that you can't get something from nothing. Thus, the Big Bang couldn't have happened. As for evolution, if that was true then the process should be continueing right now. So that's pretty much BS to me.

    Now God is absolute. He was there to begin with so I don't have to worry about what cause an explosion resulting in the birth of our universe. No. He created man from dirt so I don't have to wonder why monkeys no longer evolve into people. No. The answer to all my questions are spelled out pretty clearly with God. It makes much more sense to me than the other two.

    Just to make it clear to anyone who read this so far, I am not forcing God on anyone. I just want to know what you think about having a God or Gods. You can believe in whatever you feel like because its your choice to make, not mine whatsoever.

  2. #36852012-01-03 08:28:55quipna said:

    I shall reply to this, and it shall be tl;dr. Prepare youerself.

    Preview: I am a theistic agnostic that fundamentally disagrees with most everything you have said. I am not here to fight, but to explain my views.

    I am coming.

  3. #36872012-01-03 08:53:31Settsuo-kun said:

    My stance on God and everything related to religion.

    I don't give much thought to the creator of our universe. It may seem lazy, but by not over thinking creation for me makes things seem so much clearer and simple. If there is a god I hope i have done well in living my life , if not i hope the soil i'm buried in smells of fresh bananas.

  4. #36912012-01-03 09:07:21 *quipna said:

    God is definitely real to me.

    Fair enough. We are all allowed our views, no matter how flawed others may feel they are.

    Simply because the Big Bang Theory and Evolution theories don't make sense to me.

    Alrighty, again, I can understand where you are coming from. These are both oversimplified by our culture, in a confusing way.

    I learned that you can't get something from nothing.

    Law of Conservation of Energy, yes.

    Thus, the Big Bang couldn't have happened.

    Sadly, I do not agree. To understand the Big Bang, one must look to the future. We know the universe is expanding, propelled by the explosive force of the Big Bang. This is evidenced by Redshift. No,w once this energy can no longer propell the universe's expansion, everything will start to contract. Gravity exists everywhere there is mass, and it is all centered in the center of the universe. Two planets will pull closer together, and to others, and so on and so forth.

    This will lead to the "Big Crunch". The Big Crunch is what fuels the Big Bang, and what completes the temporal cycle. Everything condenses and contracts into one tiny spot, before giving way and exploding with the energy to create planets and stars. This is the Big Bang.

    This contraction, followed by explosion, is the same process that creates Nebulae, albeit it is on a much larger scale when applying to the Big Crunch/Bang.

    This is what causes the Big Bang(s). They do not come from "Nothing", but from the last cycle. I will touch upon this more, later.

    As for evolution, if that was true then the process should be continueing right now. So that's pretty much BS to me.

    Well, evolution is not "Suddenly an ape is more man-like". It is a process of mutations that are selected by nature, when one helps the bearer survive better than the rest.

    Think of it this way. I am a man in a tribe, but am born with a birth defect, webbed feet. Us, being a hunter/gatherer group, need to find food to survive. I, with my webbed feet, am fantastic at swimming, and can catch fish with my bare hands, chasing after them. This allows me to feed my family and pass down the biological code, the DNA, for webbed feet. If my family continues to survive better than the rest of the group, soon, much of the group will have webbed feet. This is Natural Selection, and the basis of evolution. If I have something that makes me better, I will survive, and the group will later inherit it through my offspring. It is not always so simple, and my example is outlandish, but it is only for the sake of explanation.

    For this reason, it is wrong to claim that evolution is false. It is just evolution as it is portrayed in Churches and on some "news" stations such as Fox is laughable and wrong.

    Now God is absolute.

    Faith, I will not deny you this.

    He was there to begin with so I don't have to worry about what cause an explosion resulting in the birth of our universe.

    Well, then how did he get there? Why can we not claim that the beginning of the Big Bang was at the beginning of the universe? I see no difference, only that one is "intelligent" and the other is "matter".

    He created man from dirt so I don't have to wonder why monkeys no longer evolve into people.

    Again, that is not how evolution works, but I trust you know that now.

    The answer to all my questions are spelled out pretty clearly with God.

    Well, this I do not understand. You claim that the Big Bang is outlandish, but an all powerful being just happens to be there. I mean, who created him? Shouldn't that throw you off, a bit?

    It makes much more sense to me than the other two.

    Howso? You really do not explain.


    Now, understand I am only playing the Devil's Advocate for the sake of argument. I do not wholly agree with everything I have said, but they are all well rooted in logic and worth your thought. I do not feel it is healthy to just claim religion without giving the other side a try. One must gather info from many experiences, and to deny yourself that is daft.

    Basically, just try to understand what I am saying and why I am saying it, even if you do not agree. Even I do not agree with everything I said, but I know they are worth a thought. You would do well to try the same.

  5. #36952012-01-03 09:32:18AlphaHikari_1A14 said:

    @Quipna I understand what you are telling me. This is what I am looking for. I like getting different views on things and your view was magnificent! Though I can't wholeheartedly agree with some of the things you said, I can respect you for saying them. You really educated me on somethings so thats another thing to respect you for. I wish more answers would be like yours in the future. Oh and you aren't the Devil's Advocated for saying that. I am no holier than you so I don't have any right to judge you just because you don't believe in God.

  6. #36992012-01-03 09:42:32 *Elegy said:

    I'm going to take a stab at the evolution thing here as well as an addition to quipna

    Let's talk about lice. Yes, those nasty things that creep all over your scalp and make you itch. Recently people have discovered something: "super lice". Oh no! These guys aren't really that special though, no capes and spandex, that's for sure. The reason they're called this is because they can survive the usual chemicals we've developed to kill them. This is a new development, because of our use of the chemicals on them they have changed to be immune to them. This is evolution Yes, we've had lice for a very very long time, yes we've been using chemicals to kill them dead for years, and only now are they starting to adapt to survive this.

    Evolution takes a very very VERY long time, the smaller the creature the faster it happens, but even for something as small as lice, it still took many years of dieing to our chemicals for them to merely gain immunities. Not even super speed or flight? Lame.

    If you want poof evolution you wanna check out single celled organisms, the rate at which they change is incredible. Still nothing as fabulous as x-ray vision and such, but they gain immunities to things at a terrifying rate.

    This has been my severely butchered explanation. Oh, and just for the record: It's apes, not monkeys.

    Edit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_advocate

  7. #37152012-01-03 11:50:18AlphaHikari_1A14 said:

    @Elegy Another well written response. Though yours was the simplest explanation I will ever find on evolution, I still get it. But the theory as a whole just doesn't click with me. Until scientists find the missing link, evolution will be just random information to me. Thanks for telling me about the lice though.

  8. #37192012-01-03 12:03:42takumi_sugihara said:

    God is necesary. not for me, but the simply idea of a god is as natural as the curiosity of the man. the first explanations for the origin of universe and life in this planet where "god did it".

    So since we are humans we all belive in a god in a sertain stage of our lives, we become ateist wen we don't like this: "god did it".

    I have a personal conclution: "I can't think about life without god, cuz this way is really sad. BUT if there are no god I don't care. i'll keep living, and wen i die i'll never know it, so... there will be no problem"