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  1. What's your stance on your health?

    #460132013-01-02 16:27:08Rune said:

    As we are all human beings, we know that we get sick sometimes, right? We do stuff to get better, or maybe we don't. When it comes knocking, probably the first thing that pops in your mind is 'What the hell do I do?', right?

    So here are a bunch of questions I want to ask:

    1. Do you go to the doctor? How severe does the illness have to be to warrant you going to the doctor?

    2. Do you take meds? Or do you strictly only drink medicines that only the doctor has prescribed?

    3. If you don't do either of the above, what do you do?

    I personally have been hammered from early childhood that meds are OK as long as you don't abuse them. Usually, I'd try to avoid going to the doctor as much as possible. It's also why today I'm still appalled that people don't take meds when they are sick O_O Citing weird reasons that they don't want to get hung up on them and almost making generic meds almost as bad as narcotics...

    As for doctors, I rarely trust the folks for common diseases. Since most of my extended families are doctors, I'd usually ask mom to ask them for advice on which meds I should buy. One phone call later, I got medicines recommendations from these doctors for free and I usually feel better afterwards.

    Which goes a long way to explain certain doctors who prescribe you all sorts of medicine, huh? I heard they are in cohorts with the pharma industry as well...

    But yeah, I pretty much only go to doctors for 'serious' problems that I just have no idea what it is. Since I'm rich and all, I'd usually try different doctors if the first one seems to be really phoning it in. I guess while I like the idea of doctors, it's kind of hard to imagine why I'd need to go to one when I got people who are well-educated doctors who can prescribe over the phone (for free).

  2. #460192013-01-02 19:36:49Mercy said:

    I hate going to the doctor. With a passion. Especially when it comes to them prescribing medications because I don't think they know what the shit they are doing when it comes to meds. Really for two reasons, one, when I was 14 I was diagnosed with cancer. But, before my diagnosis I had been in severe pain and went to see the doctor. Even though the physicians assistant wanted to give me an ultra sound, the doctor brushed him off and said he didn't want to bother because it was too expensive and my insurance wouldn't cover all of it. So he sent me home with the diagnosis of a bladder infection. And for medication? He gave me Mylanta. Which, btw, is a medication for heart burn and does nothing for abdominal pain or bladder infections.

    Anyway, 6 hours later I was practically dead, in the hospital. They gave me an ultrasound, drained 23 liters of fluid from my abdomen, and then I was in surgery for 20 hours where they removed a tumor the size of a large grape fruit. But because they delayed, the tumor had burst and flooded my body with cancer cells which then metastasized to other areas of my body, causing me to under go 3 years of painful chemotherapy. The amount of pain and trauma I went through could have been prevented if the doctor had just given me the ultra sound in the first place because they would have been able to remove the tumor in time. And yea, it wasn't a bladder infection.

    So I think that whole incident bred a strong mistrust of doctors in me from a very young age. Now the second part, when I became a pharmacy student and started my residency is when I really begun to understand how little doctors know about medication. I literally spent hours every day on the phone with doctors fixing the mistakes they made in their prescriptions. Either the wrong kind of medicine for that patient was being prescribed, they were giving out the wrong dosage that would severely harm that patient, or they would prescribe meds that were contraindicated with other medications that the patient was on. Basically, if it wasn't for the pharmacists constantly catching their mistakes, lots of patients would die or have severe problems and interactions. We would catch on average 30 mistakes a day. That's a hell of a lot for a profession where you're supposed to put your trust and health in other people's hands. But it happens every day in pharmacy's all over the world.

    But anyway, I am a bit bias towards doctors, and not in a positive way. Not all of them are bad of course, and a lot of them know more about meds then even pharmacists do. I think I've just had bad luck to run into all the stupid ones.

    Anyway as far as taking medications goes, I don't do it if I can't help it. I take a lot of vitamins and stuff but I try to stay away from all other medications. And you know, people have a point about saying generic meds are just as dangerous as narcotics. Take Tylenol (Acetaminophen) for example. Not only does it cause severe liver damage, but it's also one of the only NSAID's that can cross the blood-brain barrier. Which means it metabolizes in your brain. It can alter and even completely change your brain chemistry. Tylenol is a very dangerous drug and I highly recommend taking something else if you can avoid it (Just don't tell the Pharmaco's I said that). For example, Ibuprofen, while hard on your liver and stomach, at least doesn't go into your brain. But Aspirin is the best, as it leaves your body completely and metabolizes elsewhere so it causes no harm to the liver.

    Anyway the point is, not everyone is crazy when they say they don't want to take "generic" meds as you put it. Even if it's not a narcotic, medications can still be harmful to your body-and not necessarily exclusively in high dosages.

    That being said, as a pharmacist though, I must remind you that I do condone the use of medication. I think it can be a powerful aid to help people or cure illnesses. Hell, chemotherapy saved my life. But the world tends to abuse medications. I believe our whole world is overly medicated. In the hospital, we are filling over 1000 prescriptions an hour. I've always felt that that's too large an amount, but I guess that's just how it is. Personally I blame this on the insurance companies, the state boards of medications/pharmacies, the pharma companies for sure, and the doctors themselves (though a lot of the time it's not really them, more so as the system- the way they were taught to do things).

    Anyway, I think if people have a choice to use a natural alternative, they should take it every time over using synthetically produced medications. Does that mean I support legalized pot? Hell yea. Even though I don't do drugs myself, it's better than most of the other crap you put into your body. But that still doesn't mean I think everyone should go out and start doing pot. (I know some of you may disagree with me on this fact xD) But yea. There's also other alternatives, like chamomile tea is great to get rid of migraines and honey works wonders on reducing fevers, just to name a few.

    This is becoming a long winded post >:

    Anyway, one last thing. You were talking about how doctors are in cohorts with the pharma companies. This is true, but you're leaving out one major player- and that's the insurance companies. They are the real hard hitters in this industry. Even the pharma companies sway under their influence. Though when it comes to making money, whether you're talking about the doctors, the pharmacists, the pharma companies, the insurance companies, or even the FDA- no one is innocent. That's just the way the game is played.

    I went into the field to help people. To make a difference. But I am still guilty of contributing to the problems in the industry. It's sort of a catch 22.

    Anyway sorry for rambling so much in your thread! But it's an interesting topic! I'd like to hear other's opinions on this as well.

  3. #460302013-01-03 04:29:40TWDeath said:

    ahh~ that;s a lot mercy~ truly i think that if you think your cold is severe enough and your scared or worried about it than you should go to a doctor if not than it would be best to have someone check on you and make sure that your not getting worse or/and nothing is wrong with you or you body. If you take prescribed medication then it should be fine(don't trust me on that) or non-prescribed. Also it's good to sleep

  4. #462542013-01-06 20:48:27 *syunfung said:

    Do you go to the doctor? How severe does the illness have to be to warrant you going to the doctor?

    It usually isn't a "how severe" as much as a "time" issue for me. If it only affects me a day or two, I just self-medicate. If on the dawn of the third day (okay, too much Majora's Mask lately...) I still am not functioning properly, I bite the bullet and make an appointment. The main issue is finding time, since I'm pretty much in class from 8AM until maybe 6PM these days... >_<

    Do you take meds? Or do you strictly only drink medicines that only the doctor has prescribed?

    As I mentioned a little earlier, I tend to self-medicate. This is only recently though, for the reasons of it being difficult for me to access a doctor at the moment (frankly, the last few times I saw a nurse practitioner, I had to suggest to her what to prescribe!) and probably hubris of being a third year pharmacy student. When I know something is beyond the care of an OTC medication, I go straight to the office; I don't want it to continue building up to a point I'll be out of commission for longer than I wish.

    For the whole "pharma is in cahoots with doctors" thing, sadly, that's the case. Pharmaceutical companies have representatives that advertise to doctors and even other pharmacists from time to time to make sure the brand name still is being stocked in addition with the generics and that the brand is prescribed more often. It used to be we got these nifty thumb drives, pens, and free lunches. Recent legislation banned that type of thing though, so we just get the "drug discount cards" for patients that can't afford them anymore. It also sparked some universities (like mine) to start offering courses in ethics so that some bit of change could start.

    An addendum to what @mercy said, NSAIDs are typically a good choice compared to acetaminophen/paracetamol, but at the same time if you have a clinically documented case of aspirin allergies or similar, it may be suitable for you to use Tylenol instead; just use a lower dose. It used to be that a dose of four grams is the "threshold" before seeing liver damage, but some guidelines are lowering that to below even three grams.

    I will fully admit that I was not aware of it crossing the BBB, however. That, and we are also discouraged from categorizing Tylenol as an NSAID in my curriculum.

    I have a different stance on the whole "natural medicine" thing since these days, you can get out of staying within certain regulations by slapping a "Dietary Supplement" label. The vitamins labeled as thus may not necessarily have the amount of vitamins stated on the label. I think there was an uproar a few months ago about possible issues from taking daily vitamins on the news, but I can't remember where I saw it. It might have been in one of the ASHP releases, but I'm not certain.

    That said, everything in moderation. So long as there are no harmful side effects, I don't think there is an issue with trying an alternative before trying typical western medicine.

    In so far as the legalization thing mentioned earlier, I agree, for different reasons. It's a bit of a personal thing when I say I don't like any drug/substance used for recreational purposes. I even realize I'm doing a double standard when I tend to drink a glass of wine every so often. However, I think we're putting far too many resources into stopping something that those who are already doing it will do regardless of the injunctions placed upon them. I mean, look at the Prohibition era. We banned alcohol from the country, but we still had speakeasy joints. So long as there is a demand for it, there's nothing we can do. As long as there are still restrictions on when/where it can be used (as I don't want someone smoking pot around me or in public), it's fine. I think they should be allowed to do whatever they so desire in their own home.


    OMG, @mercy YOU'RE BACK! :D

  5. #462562013-01-06 21:11:02Mercy said:

    Yes definitely listen to @syunfung She's probably more up to date on a lot of this pharmacy stuff than I am atm because she's still in school and I am still shoved away in some lab that never sees the light of day. Like, I wasn't aware they were teaching to not classify APAP as an NSAID. That's news to me lol.

  6. #462732013-01-07 06:33:31 *Ecstasy said:

    So here are a bunch of questions I want to ask:
    Do you go to the doctor? How severe does the illness have to be to warrant you going to the doctor?
    Do you take meds? Or do you strictly only drink medicines that only the doctor has prescribed?
    If you don't do either of the above, what do you do?

    I usually just drug myself up with everything I can find and try to sleep a lot when I feel that I'm getting sick. Works in most cases. I rarely get sick though.

    I can easily imagine @Trisak dying and still avoiding treatment.

  7. #462742013-01-07 06:54:14Momimochi said:

    Holy son of a-- @syunfung you fag where've you been.

    Have eczema so Imma just rule out the yearly visits I have to go when my break-outs occur. I mean, I've gotta get that expensive as fuck medication lotion thing with steroids in it for my skin or else I'd be bleeding all over.

    Only time other than that that I'll ever go to the doctor's will probably when I get my asthma attacks. Never been to the doctor for anything else, really.

  8. #462772013-01-07 07:19:30deng said:

    Hmm, my health... I have never suffered from anything severe. Maybe I have, or am, but I'll never know. Unless I feel like I'm really threatened by something I won't think about going to a doctor. Then again, when that happens I usually feel too bad to bother the 5 minute walk to the hospital... So what ends up happening is self-medication, and healing-by-drinking-tea. Mostly.

    I know I'm doing it wrong, but meh.

  9. #462812013-01-07 10:13:37 *momo said:

    If I can make do, I do. I have made do with small fractures on Ibuprofen/Acetaminophen/Asprin, I deal with the flu with Gatorade. I just deal with it if I can. If I cannot deal with it on my own, THEN OFF TO THE HOSPITAL I GO, because that usually means it is urgent or too terrible to allow me to want to wait or it.

    Meds are cool so long as you know the effects and risks, prescribed, OTC, or otherwise obtained.

  10. #463102013-01-07 20:52:08syunfung said:

    Yes definitely listen to @syunfung She's probably more up to date on a lot of this pharmacy stuff than I am atm because she's still in school and I am still shoved away in some lab that never sees the light of day. Like, I wasn't aware they were teaching to not classify APAP as an NSAID. That's news to me lol.

    Weeeeellllll, I wouldn't say to listen to me just yet, since I don't yet have my license or my degree yet! Besides, I'm liable to follow in your footsteps of being in a lab that never sees the light of day! :p As for the NSAID thing, it had more to do with at the time, they proposed all these different mechanisms of action for the APAP, whereas the NSAIDs were confirmed to be based on blockage of prostaglandin synthesis due to cyclooxygenase blocking. I THINK however they've confirmed there's some semblance of COX blocking by APAP recently but they believe there's something else in addition to that cascade. @_@

    Holy son of a-- @syunfung you fag where've you been.

    Oh, you know... getting owned by pharmacy school... >_<

  11. #465382013-01-08 19:39:45TeslaSolari said:

    I make a habit of not going to the doctor unlike most of my close friends I have never had any medical problems never broken any bones in my body the longest time I have ever bean in a hospital is when I was born and my umbilical cord was wrapped around my neck so and since then the only time I had had to see a doctor was when a rather large dog managed to grab me on the ass the only way big dog can do so and then all I needed was a few injections and since then I have never had to go to the doctor or take any medication other than a panado or hay fever pills.

    I like to think that the reason for being so resilient is do to having a very fast metabolism for example the first time someone tried to get me drunk after about 10 cups full of what I though was cool drink but was actually just vodka mixed with a bit of soda water -__- they basically just got me to drink straight straw rum sigh that stuff tastes horrid and after all that the worst side effect was being a bit more hyper than I usually am.