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  1. The Colorless Mentality Issue


    #477122013-02-01 14:01:08 *DarkChaplain said:

    Holy fuck you people.... Small rant incoming, dunno why I even bother, but here goes:

    Watching chat on the side, I can't help but notice that there are significant downtimes in activity lately. However, there should not be downtimes, at least not nearly as long ones as these days.

    That, however, would require you to actually stick around and WAIT for other people to appear / reply, instead of, you know, leaving after 2 minutes without a reply!

    I lost count of the many people I've seen coming online in a "HERE I AM"-fashion, just to leave after not receiving a welcoming reaction within the next minute. Instead of talking or directly mentioning somebody from the online list, or simply WAITING for somebody else to arrive, they leave right away, crushing any hope for the next arrivals to start a conversation right away. Of course, those people won't stick around to post on the forum either. Some people even admit to NEVER check the forum at all - no wonder it has become slow as fuck, filled with either active trash or dead topics nobody wants to post on.

    I really think this ties deeply into another issue I've been observing for months:
    People only drop into chat for a quick blast of "fun", if you can even call it that, and leave right away when a real topic comes up. A quick surge of mindless chatter seems to be CL's prime export, which is sad, as many people ignore the forum in general, or at least quality-threads which try to discuss a subject rather than encourage imagedumps or memes.

    The general trouble of CL users to commit to projects, group activities or similar makes me feel like this Community's future is bleak as fuck. You really cannot count on this Community sustaining itself through interesting topics, bonding activities or the urge to share experiences.

    I have talked to multiple users, regulars in particular, who really WANT to have creative, inspiring and fulfilling discussions and activities with other people on here, yet realize that their efforts to start them, to even just gauge interest with a thread, will surely be wasted due to the Community's overall mentality and fear of commitment.

    This doesn't even make me angry. It makes me feel disappointed and sad that this is all we seem to be at this point. There is a severe lack of unity of purpose and willingness to contribute to the CL project in this community.

    What are your thoughts on the matter?

  2. #477132013-02-01 14:25:02Kip said:

    i've been able to have "real talk" with a few users late at night when the chat has mostly died down and it's been very nice and refreshing. i wouldn't mind if more people were open to having conversations like that, though i do enjoy the random bursts of fun too.

    it's kind of in CL's nature, i feel, to start up memes in threads regardless of the topic. almost everyone does it.

    i, personally, have been able to bond with users over skype, through video games, and joining in small activities they do on some nights. u_u i wouldn't mind there being more of that because i genuinely enjoy the time i get to spend with people (for my own reasons). i did try to start up a thread once but it died not too long after it was made, however it did look like it was doing well for a little bit.

    the main problem is that CL doesn't get new users, and when it DOES it's usually very weaboo newcomers who are only into DRRR, and most of the regulars on the site tend to scare them away with insults or sarcasm or just the usual colorless business. i remember when i FIRST joined CL, i was put off by the amount of DRAMA that users brought in and it was extremely uncomfortable so i just didn't come back for a very long time - that, and one of the users who had a bad rep was harassing me. most of those users aren't on CL anymore, so the drama has lessened, but i still notice the occasional animosity in chat and in the forums that a new user would find very distasteful. this site doesn't exactly have the best welcoming crew.

    i don't think that the current cast of CL members can really do anything about the sites weak points. in my honest opinion, i think the site needs to become more popular and bring in a wave of new users to fix whatever problems it has. new users are always willing to spruce things up a bit and contribute to activities/projects, and as former CL members we can convince them to post in the forums more frequently to fix the spammy meme thread issues. even if their threads are shit, it's better than nothing, and there might be a few good ones in there.

  3. #477152013-02-01 14:38:49Trev said:

    @Kip

    We cannot have new users if individuals take it into their hands to deem new arrivals unworthy and reject them by acting repulsively.

    We get lots of hits, lots of new accounts! But for some reason, they don't stick around. Yet they do stick around on less user-friendly, less interactive imageboards like 4chan. The technology does not appear to be the roadblock here.

    I propose that this reason is the community. This is the problem with CL. This is why we are not growing. We (as an insular group) are preventing growth by being too defensive of the status quo. We would rather assert how right we are about Japanese culture and how silly they are, instead of granting them the same knowledge in a friendly and accommodating way. We would rather mock their spelling and grammar relentlessly, taking refuge in our own superiority and conformity, than to correct them in a gentle and welcoming manner.

  4. #477162013-02-01 14:45:22 *Rune said:

    I second @Kip's position on this. Pretty much only the same people go on chat and I think part of the decline is because pretty much everything that wants to be talked about, have already been talked about.

    I mean, you can only get so much depth in a conversation/topic with only the 20 odd people who are still here in which you see every single day. What we need is really quantity now instead of quality in my opinion and dare I say it, we have to lower the quality control a little bit.

    Pretty much, 'new users' is very high on my wishlist for CL. I don't even care about how they behave anymore, I just want new people!

    EDIT: Also @Trev, sorry if I'm patronising but maybe there should be more effort on the administration team to actually solve this? I know I can't really give advice but I feel that for the most part, the staff team aren't really doing much to fix the social problems on the site though I know the technical problems are getting worked on everytime. I mean, bans are fine and all but it's really about disciplining instead of actually inviting people in.

    Of course we can't have a group therapy session or anything and don't even ask anyone to even commit on anything because that won't work at all. I don't know if the suggestion is right but since users hardly do anything nowadays, what if the staff does something instead? Maybe something that could make the site sustain itself like merchandise or... something...

    Yeah, again I'm sorry I'm sort of 'attacking' the staff without any grounds at all. But as a single user on CL, I do feel really powerless and can't really do much for the site instead of donating just to keep it alive another day. So, consider this as an appeal for the staff to do 'something'.

    But 'something' doesn't solve problems... However, I still think it might be better than the current state of doing nothing at all.

  5. #477172013-02-01 15:01:27Kip said:

    @Trev

    yes, i've seen that. the second to last paragraph i wrote basically says more or less the same thing, so i agree with you. :< as i said before, CL doesn't have the best welcoming crew. also, i saw that a lot of times when we get "new users" it's actually spam accounts made my other members? another thing that disappoints me is that apparently A LOT of CL users have multiple accounts for whatever reason it is, and although i personally have never minded people having a single backup account, it's confusing when one person has 7 other profiles and uses all of them whenever he/she feels like it, and i don't understand the reasoning for it? and then i am expected to know what each of their mule accounts are on top of all the other users i need to familiarize myself with.

    i mentioned before that the first time i came to this site, i left because the community was extremely off-putting. this time around, it seems to be a very intimidating group of individuals and i've witnessed a lot of arguments and fighting going on that is very uncomfortable to be around/deal with. it's almost impossible to talk to someone without fearing what their response might be.

    it's almost as if to be a part of the CL community, you need to form this hard outer shell so you can "fit in" and if you're nice you get ragged on for it by others. having fun is considered "annoying" while trying to have a normal conversation with someone is considered "boring" or "dramatic".

    sigh. i would be more than willing to help with any issues people have with this site but it is simply impossible for me. there are probably only a few members who are willing to be kind and open about things like this, but this communities "personality" is just really overbearing.

  6. #477192013-02-01 15:27:27 *Trev said:

    @Rune

    I can't change the mentality of the userbase alone. I can only weed out the unproductive ones.

    @Kip

    Even accounting for alternate accounts (by IP address and browser fingerprint) we still get lots of fresh blood. But usually these users immediately have a negative encounter which puts them off persisting on the site.

    The ones who do stick around despite that experience tend to be stubborn and drawn to disagreement and self-assertion.

    So, by induction, you eventually end up with a group of stubborn, disagreeable, self-asserting people. How's that for a friendly community?

  7. #477232013-02-01 19:44:29BigBoss said:

    @Trollkastel, @Trev is the master God tech cat of CL. Do not question his word, for it is law. :p

    On another note, there is no use complaining if you aren't willing to be a part of the solution to the problem. Those who dares, wins.

    I advocate for a Welcoming team on chat. Of course, there needs to be someone on on chat from the welcoming team at all times to take in potential news users. Take heart, pessimists. There are those that have already identified with the problems stated here and actively try to resolve it with positive actions. I want @YOU to join me.

    Let's start a Colorless Renaissance.

  8. #477242013-02-01 20:23:32 *Viral said:

    @BigBoss For a second I was going to say viva la resistance because i thought it said colorless resistance than renaissance and go all les miserables and we could start singing and have a baracade.

    But I think those who cling to their metaness need to get over their tsundere tendency towards the new users and ask them out already.

    And giant text post that says "RESPECT IS GIVEN WHEN YOU GIVE RESPECT". And to all those weeaboos, we were all there once. We all had a weeaboo stage sort of or close to weeaboo stage. To be honest what did we look to get here, DRRR chatroom. Don't deny it, you did. We're based off it, and we're going to get the weeaboos. Give them time, they eventually grow out of it. If they don't, not our problem and they'll be awkward forever.

  9. #477292013-02-01 21:43:02Trev said:

    @Trollkastel

    I can check users against an IP database and track their login information. I also tend to follow a user's posting paterns manually. We get a large number of duplicate accounts but a surprisingly low number of spammer registrations.

  10. #477302013-02-01 22:44:15 *Cloud-VK said:

    Fuck yeah!!

    The thread didnt move that much. Thats fantastic I rushed alot to get through work to comment. But I'm still in a rush so i'm going for the jugular here. :3

    -_- I am sorry in advace for the bad spelling and grammer.

    JUST MY THOUGHTS soo dont kill me here. Also just restateing the obvious, so yeah probly no wisdom here.

    Firstly

    Holy fuck you people.... Small rant incoming, dunno why I even bother

    Cause you care ^^

    The general trouble of CL users to commit to projects, group activities or similar makes me feel like this Community's future is bleak as fuck. You really cannot count on this Community sustaining itself through interesting topics, bonding activities or the urge to share experiences.

    It makes me feel disappointed and sad that this is all we seem to be at this point. There is a severe lack of unity of purpose and willingness to contribute to the CL project in this community.

    I second @Kip's position on this. Pretty much only the same people go on chat and I think part of the decline is because pretty much everything that wants to be talked about, have already been talked about.

    because pretty much everything that wants to be talked about, have already been talked about.

    One of Cls biggest problems, Cl is a random box of topics the and good ones are rare because they have already been discussed and the only people who don't know about the threads repost then but us who have seen the good topics come and go can't come up with fun yet serious discussions. But although i'm not asking I think it depends on your perspective of the purpose of Cl is.

    Even accounting for alternate accounts (by IP address and browser fingerprint) we still get lots of fresh blood.

    yes, i've seen that. the second to last paragraph i wrote basically says more or less the same thing, so i agree with you. :< as i said before, CL doesn't have the best welcoming crew. also, i saw that a lot of times when we get "new users" it's actually spam accounts made my other members?

    @Trev is the master God tech cat of CL. Do not question his word, for it is law. :p

    ^ agree . If @Trev says were getting new blood then we are.

    AS for our welcomeing

    The ones who do stick around despite that experience tend to be stubborn and drawn to disagreement and self-assertion.

    So, by induction, you eventually end up with a group of stubborn, disagreeable, self-asserting people. How's that for a friendly community?

    I think were too harsh, thats also my stance.

    The general trouble of CL users to commit to projects, group activities or similar makes me feel like this Community's future is bleak as fuck

    But we dont have a real goal for the site do we.

    Done

    Add on : I dont think it be than hard too make the place more lively.

  11. #477312013-02-01 22:50:14Kirn said:

    Heh... I feel like I will be repeating myself here... but hell, I have been repeating same simple things for quite a while, so what the hell. I'll give me opinion on the decline of the community.

    What @Trev got right is that the tech is not the appeal. If anything, it may be a turn-off. I do remember when changing to 'better' CL made users leave. But that's not the main problem. The main problem, as I see it, is us having no sense of any purpose whatsoever. Some sense of unifying purpose could overcome our laziness and make us talk and do things and contribute. See, at the very beginning we had that. It was based on the goddamned Drrr and it actually worked some. I know that it wasn't perfect, but it could have lasted a bit longer... Instead we were cut from it and we were not given anything in return to build on. And yes, guys, while we should be able to talk to each other without prompting, the global sense of achievement for the site should be created by administration. And I don't mean the badges.

    I can also point some fingers at people who did a great job of buggering up the community as a whole since the very fucking beginning of the fucking site. Do you want me to poke some fingers? I thought so, okay, I won't do it today. But anyways, steps were made to make the community as dormant as it is possible - by different people and for different reasons. And it also did work some.

    Now, what it all amounts to - every user have to seek his own entertainment on the site while having to endure the possibility (a very distinct one) that noone would join in on the fun. And if you know that noone would appreciate what you are doing, it's quite hard to find a reason to do something at all. It's like me documentaries threads or DC's game threads - not nearly enough people responds to those considering how many people we supposedly got. It's a fucking miracle we are even here still. But we are still here and still making threads. For my part, I think it's cause I got me my own sense of purpose on the site and I do follow it. But not everyone can or would do the same and that's why we got what we got.

    Anyways, that was just me ranting out of having nothing to do late at night.

    The end is in sight and all that.

  12. #477332013-02-01 23:08:41Trev said:

    @Kirn

    I agree that a sense of purpose would be beneficial to the site. That said, I think quite a few of our users have moved on from the initial anime fandom that brought us here.

    I suppose it's up to you guys to come up with something that you (as a community) do well.

  13. #477372013-02-02 01:41:24Decae said:

    To agree with what @Kirn already stated: we desperately need a purpose, or rather a specific audience to appeal to besides DRRR fans.

    The site is really just a clusterfuck of everything and nothing. We have no real topics, no ideas for topics, and no one is really stepping out to provide topics or to contribute to them. From what I see, we spend more time complaining about how the site is dying or the forum/chat is dying or how everything's going to shit than actually participating in the site.

    Despite this, I think the most important problem is the overall elitist attitude of the site. Hell, I was terrified when I came back because I remembered how brutal everyone was, including me. The site always seem to have a sort of self-righteous and indignant attitude towards anyone new because they were immature, had bad grammar, etc, or just because we felt they had to earn our respect before we could be kind to them.

    It's really a combination of bad attitudes and overall unproductiveness that has made the site so deserted over time. Though, really, talking about what we don't have does squat shit. Maybe we should brainstorm instead.

  14. #477482013-02-02 05:34:18 *Kip said:

    i'm sticking to what i said to @Trev earlier today in chat. i don't think it would be a terrible idea to gather a bunch of users who are WILLING to help give ideas and change the overall appearance of the site and set up a welcoming sort of group for new members, and even help bring new ones in and make them stay instead of having the other community members scare them off the moment they try to interact with us.

    CL is in need of a makeover and an attitude adjustment, but i think the latter would be extremely hard to achieve so the best thing to do is work around those who aren't going to be bringing much to the table. i think a single group of helpful individuals would be able to make a bit of a difference on this website and even improve it's atmosphere.

  15. #477602013-02-02 10:20:52 *Ima-Chan said:
    ]We should DEFINITELY do something instead of COMPLAINING
    Since Durarara wasn't exactly an award winning fantastic anime, though it was good once, it's slowly becoming less popular. SO, we should widen the fan-base!!o(^▽^)o

    Basically, we should include ALL anime, but why stop THERE
    Why not include manga, J-rock, Enki, cuisine, etc...
    (All while trying not to go too far as to keep things anime related)
    THEN, try to make the design more colorful and softer than 'general square'. Try adding cute anime wallpaper in the background. (though that does defeat the purpose of being "colorless") You could start by assigning a welcome committee and when you go into the chat, you could try and have a list to say who's actually IN the chat room. Instead who's just ONLINE. As said before, since the Durarara thrill is slowly fading, widening the fan-base and possibly dropping a bit of the theme could help:| But, having things overcrowded could make things annoying, though...
  16. #477752013-02-02 16:16:07Low said:
    THEN, try to make the design more colorful and softer than 'general square'. Try adding cute anime wallpaper in the background.

    Do not want.
  17. #477642013-02-02 13:34:19 *Cloud-VK said:

    geeze* I dont think were based solely on anime are we?

    I don't think it would be a terrible idea to gather a bunch of users who are WILLING to help give ideas and change the overall appearance of the site and set up a welcoming sort of group for new members, and even help bring new ones in and make them stay instead of having the other community members scare them off the moment they try to interact with us.

    I like this idea, and if I could i'd like to help with this, but I dont know if its posible to chage the attitude of the site, though.

    I like the current backround but its always cool too experiment.