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  1. #71192012-01-17 02:05:38BboyNoblesse said:

    @Tokoyama I like the lack of assuming that I don't find science useful. In fact, I do find science useful to an extent. I'm not sure, however, if you are insinuating that I believe evolution is a lie, that the earth is only 4000 years old, God is the only possible answer, science is a lie, or that we are all from the same gene pool. I've only been saying that nothing is certain and complete blind faith in anything, whether it be God or Science, is idiotic.

  2. #72622012-01-17 21:18:03TokoyamiSenshi said:

    @BboyNoblesse: I'm not insinuating anything. Since you haven't stated your beliefs, there's not much I can say about that. I wrote those points as a logical critic to extreme forms of creationism.

    Of course, once can argue that the evidence provided by science against such a theory are uncertain, and indeed they may be wrong with some 10 to the power of minus few thousands percent chance.

    That said, however, if one does not provide proof in support of creationism, the fact that evolution might not be true doesn't directly prove creationism. It doesn't even disprove evolution.

    I was taught both evolution and creationism at school. At the time I was in elementary school, religious education(held by chatolic priests) was a compulsory subject(it's not anymore, thank God). In high school, I was taught the theory of evolution in biology classes. Honestly, I didn't like either. Both were displayed as absolute truth inspite being theories.

  3. #72652012-01-17 21:42:30squareof3 said:

    I was just reading this article on evolution it talks about the fossil record and how scientists have said that the human race literally just appeared in there that there were no prior ancecters we just showed up. Just wanted to put that out there for those of us who are talk about brick solid evidence. Oh and how about this the bible does talk about concrete things such as the shape of the earth hundreds of years before it was discovered among other things. So just wanted to put out some extra info ya know?

  4. #72712012-01-17 22:04:29Noodle said:

    Christianity is like the ส็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็ ส็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็ ส็็็็็็็็็็็ ส็็็็็็็็็็็็. Ȉ̜̠̙͉̭̦̮̂ͯͬt͏̱ ̳̣͚̳ͪ̊ͮ͐c̞̩̞͓̖̩͕ͯͦͦ͛ͨ͆̋͢i̘͋ṙ̫̊̾̾͒ͦ͋̀c̲͖͚̗͠l̖̗̪̥̬̓́e̳̬̭̘͈̪̘͆͊͟ș͎̦͙ͩ͐̊ͤ̉̆̽ ̵͔̃͗̌ͅa̞͑̇̈͆͜r̽̂o̥̠̲͚̻̻̭̐̎͑̄͂́ͫṵͭ̈́̉͐n͚̯͉̟͙̈́̎ͥ̓̊d̹̮̼͈̱͚ͦͅ y̌ͦͬ̿ͣ͢͏̠̗͓̭̣͔̭̩̻o̖͓̰͇̰̻͍͒ͮ͆ͫ͂ͮͥ́ư̲̝̟̗͙̻̤̳͒̄ͫ͂͒͒̑͞ ̣̮̘͖ͧ͂̊ͬ͆͋͗̽a̛͎͚̝͓̫͖̓ͤͣͧ͞n̝͚͗̽̅̑ͨd̨͇̤̥͎͔͍͋͠ ͍͑̊̓̽̅̇́͋ǐ̺̱̖̮͌͆ͫͩ̇ͯͩ̀͜s̛͔̣̹͉̝̈̓͂̏͆̎̀̚͡n̷̻͚̯̫̮̥̻̋ͪ̀̊ͮ̆̋'̿ͨ̇҉̷̣͈͕̪t̛͎̖̜̪͙̝͕͉͈ͩ̄̉̽̇ͤͣ͋ ̽̋͌̒ͮ̈̇̂ͨ҉̷̤̱͕̜̙̹͟e̵̛͕͚͍̐̎ͦv̷̧̹̲̩̠̭ͫ͐͗͋̒͝è́ͭ̂̿̋ͩͧ̚҉̨̝͙̰̝̼̲͖͢n̲͇̠͎̺͓ͩ̊ͦ͗ͬ̀ ̫͍̫͈̞̱ͩ͒ͣͤͥ̿̉ͥͧ͟ť̨̹̭͖͙̞̞̃̐̊̆̀́̒́h̛͔̜͓͔̣̽͂͊ͩͭ̐ͅè̠͚̪̙̬̩̌̊̑͆̈́̑ͨ̈ͅ o̞̙̳̬͉͎̹͗̊͋ͩ̎̌́̐̀ͭ́̋̋̄ͣ̚͞ȑ̸̴͈̭̹͍̞̣̖̞̟̘̯̑ͨ̍͝i̵̢̡̭̬̙̦̺̪̾ͩ̆͘͡g̷̨̻̠̮͎̲̣̗͖̮̱͕̘̞ͩ̉̎̿̐ͩͥ̄́̕͘͢iͫ̈̿ͮ͆̈́͐̿̈́̆̌̃͆ͨͧ͏̴̧҉̖͉̞̼̙n̾̓ͥ̃̀̓͝҉̧̼̝̬̖͖͇̭͉͇̺̮̘̯a̵̸̧̟̼̪͚̮̐ͬ̐͛̽ͯͮ̋ͫͬ̑ͫ͒͋̐͒͂ͦ͜l̹͕̲̞̼͑́ͧ̃̍ͣ̋̃͡ ̧̳̺̦̹̜͚̼̙̇̓ͮ͂ͮ̈͋̓ͭ͗̊̉͊ͦ̊́̔́ͅl̨̫͉̞̙̖̫̺̖̜̟̖̩͙͚̯͒̐̀̂̒̉̇̾ͤ͑̾̃͘i̢̭̟̞̗̲̭͉̫ͬ̔̃̅́̇ͪͣ͌͐͒͌ͣͫ̾́͝g̡̣͈̮͓̙̬͎͚͌̆̀̊ͨͩͧ̒͢͠͠ͅh̡͂ͤͩ͑ͭ̌ͯ̋͒͆͆̋͞͠҉̖̯̗̳̜̺̹̗̲̥͚̤̗̘̺̩̯͙t̴̸̵̹̯̞̙̣̳͚͇͔̙̯̲̯̭͓̩͈̤̑̔̔͟͞ ̢̢̛̫͇͇͍̱̮̩̫̳͙ͧ̊̔ͫ̈ͥͦ̾̉ͬ̀̚͢s̶̨̙̰̰̙̓ͯ̀̃̓ͩ̌ͤ̍͑̀̆̌ͬ̏̀͝o̴ͦͦ̑ͥ̃̒ͩ̓̊͞͏̡̬̮͚͔̺͘u̶̶̴͍͈͕̬̹͉͇ͬ͋̒̎ͭ͐̓͋͠ŗ̪̫͔͎̠̭̤͎̠͔̩̮̪̹̺̤̇͋̾ͥ͌̽̐̽̑̌ͧ̆̽͆̏̚cͬͧ̈ͪ͂̓͗̏ͬ̈́̔̿̎́͏̦̞̙̮̞̤̕͜e̴̐͊̎̂̋͐̀͏̺̟̳͉̖̝.

  5. #73012012-01-18 00:33:28TokoyamiSenshi said:
    @squareof3: Thank you for enlightening us with such wonderful information in such a concise and understandable way, but.

    Cite the part in the bible in which the shape of our planet is being described. I have a bible and I've read it more than once, but I can't remember that. Could be my memory though.

    Here's a really contracted list of fossils found and their approximate datings. Do you see any time holes in it? I don't.
  6. #73112012-01-18 01:19:04squareof3 said:

    isaiah 40:22 the bible isn't a science text book of that I'm certain but it is scientific in its writings and i acknowledge that i can't find any holes in that time line. Point to you my good fellow. But that doesn't sway my beliefs as I'm sure you're not trying to do but yeah there you go if you want any more scriptures just pm me or reply to this idc but i would like to further this conversation.

  7. #73522012-01-18 04:20:35lolikitsune said:

    Oooh I just started a class on "religion" and how the Roman Empire invented it in Late Antiquity. Christianity ran with it and by the 18th century "religion" had become slightly more universal. I'll report back with further notes and understanding of how "religion" is a man-made concept with a specific context and how most faith is not really religion.

  8. #73922012-01-18 10:08:06TokoyamiSenshi said:

    "The phrase 'circle,' or 'circuit of the earth,' here seems to be used in the same sense as the phrase orbis terrarum by the Latins; not as denoting a sphere, or not as implying that the earth was a globe, but that it was an extended plain surrounded by oceans and mighty waters."

    From Barnes' notes on the bible.

    That said, I indeed have no Intention of telling you what to believe or not to believe. I in fact admit the possibility that the world is indeed as described by creationism. However, I think that possibility is very small and for that reason prefer theories with higher possibility of being true myself.

    @lolikitsune: Go tell them :D It's the one thing they never teach you, how Chatolicism of today came to be. Not everything was changed/invented for political/practical reasons though.

  9. #74782012-01-18 19:38:39InsaneBoredGame said:

    @lolikitsune If you took a religion class, then you realize that it is a rather hard to define concept. Professors and Scholars are still arguing about its concrete definition. Have fun trying to prove what does or does not constitute as a religion when nobody agrees on the definition of the term. Enjoy~

  10. #74912012-01-18 21:00:46lolikitsune said:

    @InsaneBoredGame: Well a major part of the class is a genealogy of the word religion. From the introductory lecture I can sort of get behind the general trajectory of the course. It's going to take us from a place where all peoples have religion, and religion is a universal, to one in which religion is a specific historical product. I'll keep you updated. BERIEBE in the power of rhetoric courses!

  11. #74922012-01-18 21:13:39InsaneBoredGame said:

    @lolikitsune Again, I must vomit up my previous words to declare that as religion is not a rigidly defined term, you cannot determine the amount of religion within a certain time or place. Quite a number of people (too lazy to cite) define religion as a strong set of beliefs. Under that, wouldn't the strong disbelief in a deity count as a religion by itself?

    Besides, the argument you try to present relies a bit too much if not completely on ethos. You haven't stated anything solid other than the fact you take a religion class...

  12. #74932012-01-18 21:16:48 *lolikitsune said:

    @InsaneBoredGame: Hold up hold up dude. I'm not arguing anything here. I haven't TAKEN THE CLASS YET. All I said was that I'm starting a course the project of which is to discuss the genealogy of "religion" and show how religion is not a universal, but a specific man-made thing. What more 'solid' can I state?

    And what the hell does ethos have to do with ANYTHING I've said?

    Finally, asking rhetorical questions about the definition of religion in order to prove a point about religion's lack of definition begs the question. Nice try though.

  13. #556582013-05-15 11:19:01Gargron said:

    who believes in Christ

    Christians, probably. Some of them, certainly. Not me.

    why do you don't/believe in Christ

    Why don't you believe in all the other gods? Why don't you believe in the orbiting teapot? Well, I don't for the same reason.