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  1. Hey Guys! Apparently We're All Going to Jail :D


    #607042013-07-11 01:48:00 *archangel said:

    I'll fix this thread later, I'm running late .

    That infuriating moment when Justin Beiber pops out first that Justin Carter; just for that, I'm going to kill everyone in school, piss on their corpses, rape their bodies, and set the world on fire. ARREST ME!!!!!!!!!!

    www.businessinsider.com/teen-justin-carter-faces-trial-and-jail-for-facebook-comment-2013-7

    Justin Carter has been arrested for 5 months in the state of Texas for making a sarcastic comment, A JOKE, A FUCKING JOKE! He commented on facebook or in LoL; I don't know, the media did not stress that out but that doesn't matter, what really matters here is the undeniable fact that a 19 year old Kid, just about to go to college and start his life, has been arrested and is being tortured via solitary confinement. Mr. Carter has been violated, assaulted, and possibly confined to a prison cell with no light, no toilet, and no clothes just for saying a joke. This is against the constitution of America; proven until guilty? HAHA FUCKING HA! NO! Freedom of speech? How about freedom to be fucked in the ass for dropping the soap, how does that fucking sound? Apparently the American legal system has gone down the shitter. This kid had no trial, there is no evidence proving that he is guilty; basically he is GUILTY until proven innocent. (Howard Bloom 2013) And this is what really grinds my fucking gears. Remember that terrorist who blew up Manhattan killing over 30 people? Well guess what? He's not fucking guilty.

    www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/10/boston-marathon-explosions-dzhokhar-tsarnaev

    A terrorist is not guilty, however a 19 year old INNOCENT MAN has been arrested FOR 5 FUCKING MONTHS for a sarcastic joke. Apparently jokes are illegal now. What's next "Illegal thoughts"? The justice system is irrational, against the constitution to which America was built upon, and has put an innocent 19 year old to jail with no trial, no say, and no hope. Please sign the petition for this young man's release.

    www.change.org/petitions/release-my-son-justin-carter-in-jail-for-a-facebook-comment

    Watch these videos for more inspiration on setting this man free

  2. #607072013-07-11 02:38:36 *Kirlyte said:
    This thread is deeply concerning for a number of reasons. I have no idea where to begin.

    First let's clear up some facts.

    And this is what really grinds my fucking gears. Remember that terrorist who blew up Manhattan killing over 30 people? Well guess what? He's not fucking guilty.


    I do not think you are referring to the Wall Street bombing which happened back in 1920. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the man shown in the first video you linked, most certainly did not blow up Manhattan or kill 30 people. He and his brother bombed the Boston Marathon, where they killed 3 people and later shot and killed a police officer. This brings the kill count to four with one of the brothers later being killed by police (Though the brothers were later linked to an unsolved triple homicide from a previous year). Also, he has most definitely not been found "not guilty". There is a major difference between pleading not guilty and being found not guilty. The Tsarnaev case holds-you guessed it-zero relevance here.

    This kid had no trial, there is no evidence proving that he is guilty; basically he is GUILTY until proven innocent.


    Uhhh no. The cops did not just take him, throw him in jail and leave him for 5 months assuming he was guilty. He went through the same system everyone else does when charged with a felony. He was held, the courts decided what to charge him with, and the judge set a bail, if any, for him to be released until he could stand trial. His parents could not afford the bail, so he waits in jail for his trial-which was not denied him, for he is currently waiting for it to begin. This is how the system works, this is how the system always works. Also "there is no evidence" is laughable. He was indicted on charges of making terroristic threats, and believe it or not, a joke revolving around you shooting up a school can definitely be interpreted as a terroristic threat.


    This said, any sane juror will see that he more than likely was not actually threatening to shoot up the school, but law enforcement was 100% correct in their decision to investigate the incident. Whether you like it or not all threats of these natures must be taken seriously as a matter of public safety. Jokes on such a sensitive topic are walking on thin ice. Ideally every teenager is not actually arrested, let alone go on to stand trial, for such poor attempts at humor, but the fact that some of them are if they are reported is not something to be surprised about in the least-let alone up in arms over. If you want to point fingers at anyone here, point the blame towards the judge who set an unreasonable bail, the person who reported him in the first place, or incompetent jurors in the unlikely event he is actually convicted. The law is not, and cannot be, perfect. Exceptions happen, complications arise, and sometimes things may seem a little bit unfair-this case can be interpreted as proof of this. However, this case is far from proving the American legal system is "down the shitter"-at least not alone.

    [Carter]...has been arrested and is being tortured via solitary confinement. Mr. Carter has been violated, assaulted, and possibly confined to a prison cell with no light, no toilet, and no clothes just for saying a joke.

    Well of course. The abuses sometimes suffered in the current prison system are well known-and solitary confinement is simply the best place for him right now. He was moved there for his own protection after facing multiple beatings at the hands of other inmates.

    This topic can only be described as sensationalist at best, and lacking any factual information other than "Teenager jailed for joke" at worst.
  3. #607082013-07-11 02:50:00DarkChaplain said:

    The thing is, law enforcement did NOT initially investigate it, but /somebody online/ looked up the dude's real life contact info, complete with real name, address etc, and sent the cops after him.

    While the rest of the people involved seemingly realized that it was a sarcastic remark, one definitely did not understand that, and went to great lengths to get him into shit. Probably a sore loser on League.

  4. #607092013-07-11 03:10:31 *Kirlyte said:
    The thing is, law enforcement did NOT initially investigate it, but /somebody online/ looked up the dude's real life contact info, complete with real name, address etc, and sent the cops after him.

    While the rest of the people involved seemingly realized that it was a sarcastic remark, one definitely did not understand that, and went to great lengths to get him into shit.
    You're actually surprised law enforcement only investigated the post whenever it was reported? How else are they supposed to know the post is there? Someone-anyone-can report something they find of interest for the law enforcement agency to investigate. The fact that someone, somewhere took the comment seriously is not a surprise-nor should it be that they reported it if they found it such. Whenever law enforcement was alerted, however, they made the decision to investigate the situation-found that, indeed, the post could be interpreted as a terrorist threat, and let the courts handle the rest. This is a perfectly natural reaction to the situation. Granted it was the investigators' choice to file a criminal complaint, but as I explained earlier it is not altogether ridiculous to investigate such threats as being serious due to their sensitive nature and the risks involved if they are. Even the police department in this case is aware of this:

    The whole situation is kind of unfortunate," said New Braunfels Police Lt. John Wells. "We definitely understand the situation that Mr. Carter is in, however he made the comments, and it is an offense. We have to ... protect the general public and specifically, in this case, with it involving schoolchildren, we have to act. We take those very seriously."

    Source: NPR


    There is also no evidence the woman was attempting to "give him shit" for the joke. It is far more likely she was legitimately concerned-however silly that may have been.

    Probably a sore loser on League.
    Although I really don't think this comment is serious, I doubt the woman who saw the Facebook post was in any of his League games.
  5. #607142013-07-11 03:38:33DarkChaplain said:

    No, I am not surprised that they'd investigate something that was reported.
    I am more disgusted by the fact that somebody had an easy game getting all the dude's personal info and setting the cops onto his ass, either not understanding the use of sarcasm or refusing to acknowledge it.

    If @Kirn tells people on here that he eats babies, how can anybody even take that comment seriously, for example? Or that acostoss bangs turkey at least once a year?

    It can be very difficult to distinguish between sarcasm and serious comments, but this is definitely not one of those cases.

  6. #607152013-07-11 03:54:37 *Kirlyte said:
    I am more disgusted by the fact that somebody had an easy game getting all the dude's personal info and setting the cops on his ass
    Have you even read any of the articles DC? It was not something simply said in a League game-he posted the comments on his personal Facebook for all to see. It is not very difficult to get your personal information from Facebook, let alone inform the cops when the post is under your name in plain sight. The threat is of a very serious nature and the police chose to handle it as such-a perfectly natural reaction. I highly doubt a woman in Canada saw the post and randomly decided "I would like to ruin this boy's life by pretending I don't notice the sarcasm." as well-it is far more likely she simply wasn't so sure it was of a sarcastic nature. Furthermore the statements were far more than a simple "lol i'm gonna shoot up a school"

    Carter’s troubles began on Feb. 13 of this year. During an argument on Facebook over the online multiplayer game League of Legends, some told Carter that he was “crazy,” according to his defense attorney, Donald Flanary III. Carter replied: ”I’m f—ed in the head alright. I think I’ma shoot up a kindergarten and watch the blood of the innocent rain down and eat the beating heart of one of them.”


    It is very easy to see why someone would not be sure of the sarcasm, especially someone not so familiar with the ways of online gamers. Again, it is not as though he has been found guilty and imprisoned-he is free to go at any time until his trial as soon as he posts bail, which he is unable to do. Blame the judge for setting too high of a bail. She likely saw him as a high-risk case, which again, if you are not a regular patron of the younger or more immature sections of the internet you are unlikely to see the humor in the comment. He will still have his day in court.

    If Kirn tells people on here that he eats babies, how can anybody even take that comment seriously, for example? Or that acostoss bangs turkey at least once a year?
    See above comments about nature of comment. Because of the nature of the comments it was an easy mistake to make, it was not a random forumgoer saying "lol I eat babies." It was someone on a personal Facebook with a sarcastic comment unusually dark and detailed. It is much more unlikely for us to be reported, let alone arrested, for such comments than these when put into context (School shooting threats are again, much more sensitive especially in the context of the recent tragedy in Newtown, CT) And, once again, this is a rather unusual or fringe incident-not exactly a daily occurrence. Although I agree that the filing of criminal charges to begin with was mistaken, this was far from the signal of the American legal system going "down the shitter" as the OP suggested.
  7. #607112013-07-11 03:28:10Chestnut_Rice said:
    Soul sigh. Ok there 'lil indignant social justice trooper. Slow down. Learn that law and justice are not the same. Law is a body of rules and regulations that a state puts in place in order to keep the peace of society. Justice, is a very subjective noun that refers to what a person or group of people think is right. Law in democratic states tends to reflect the values of justice of a state's people. Justice often changes, and law tends to change to reflect and deliver justice.

    Why am I bothering with any of this? Just because the legal system got it wrong in this one case, just because justice was miscarried in this one instance, doesn't mean that an entire body of law is badly written. There are dozens, hundreds, even thousands of murderers, rapists and yes, domestic terrorists who are rightly convicted and punished in America under the same laws that allowed this unfortunate mistake to happen. Barely any body reports about these times when the system works the way we want it to because our newspapers would simply be filled with perpetrator names and victim interviews if we bothered with each one. We can't simply make decisions on what's right and wrong based on our emotions alone. Judges can't and shouldn't hand down sentences based on what they feel at the time and ignore laws. What would be the point of laws, then?

    And look, it isn't completely hopeless. It was a mistake to do this to some people, yes. That's why a lawyer is being hired to overturn the ruling, that's why a petition is being started. I'd hardly want to generalize that the entire justice system is "irrational". Tell that to the LAPD inspectors who investigate scenes that make most people puke. Tell that the the NYPD constables who watch their friends die in the line of duty. Don't make a mockery of law simply to defend what you believe is justice.


    Other than that, I do completely agree that this was at best a very tasteless joke, and at worse, a horrible misreading of domestic terrorism law. My prayers are with you Mr. Carter.
  8. #607742013-07-11 21:11:02hellstorm901 said:
    Freedom of Speech doesn't give you the right to threaten others or infringe on another person's Freedoms. It actually says that in your goddamn constitution but I take it most people who claim abuses of Freedom rarely read the actually constitution of Freedom.

    And no putting someone in solitary confinement or denying them bail does not constitute a violation of Freedom if doing so can be justified. You don't grant bail to someone who says they're going to kill people any more than you put someone who says they're going to commit suicide in a room with plenty of options to do so.

    As for Guilty until proven innocent. That's a bullshit concept that's existed in not just america but all countries with a fair justice system for hundreds of years. Those who usually are guilty and know they are guilty and will never in a million years be found innocent claim they are Guilty until proven innocent in hopes retarded Human Rights campaigners will come to their aid. The reality is everyone in America and other countries with a modern justice system do in fact get a fair trial by jury and reserve the right to call for a new judge and jury if they believe they will not get a fair trial. This has so far happened with the Boston bomber who has been playing musical chairs with his judge because he knows each one of them is going to give him a harsh sentence because he's as we in the UK say "Banged to Rights"
  9. #607752013-07-11 21:14:53 *Kirn said:

    Since I live in a horrible east-European country that want to deny me as many of my freedoms as it can, I can say and do whatever I want on the Internet and in the real life, and noone would give a fuck. Hurray to third-class countries!

  10. #1158272019-02-23 19:04:53Destro said:

    I'm sorry boys I had to be up at 5am that day and thought i'd see what cl has to offer and when i saw that thread title i had to click it. Thought it was silly and did what i always do without even looking at the dates of the last posts, my bad. If any mod wants to delete my post and every post after its probably for the best, however I am still very tickled by my post.