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Idea on a course CL could take.

  1. #621612013-08-05 11:07:36 *Nekoo said:

    hows about some more forum games? we could either make new ones or revive some of the good ones, then maybe even give badges to people who win the games, if they're the type that can have a winner. for example...

    - Count to 1,000,000: pretty self explanatory. we post the numbers from one to a million, with no double posting, and whoever/the first person to hit 1,000,000 wins and gets a badge. then, if the game continues, whoever hits 2,000,000 gets a badge too, and so on. of course, the number could be smaller than 1,000,000 if thats too much...

    - Rate the previous poster's username or avatar: on a scale of 1 to 10 or whatever, with comments if you want

    - The Person Above me Would be Arrested for: yeah

    - Ask a Question for the Next Poster: and they answer it. good for getting to know people, i guess

    - Would you rather ___ or ___: and the next poster answers

    - State an embarrassing habit: the next poster either admits or denies it

    - Two Truths and a Lie: the next poster guesses which of the three is the lie

    etc etc etc

  2. #621632013-08-05 11:53:07deng said:

    Hey, I didn't propose creating them, I proposed not locking them. There's a difference. Even i can see how retarded this is now, when I read it presented like that...

  3. #621652013-08-05 12:04:08Kirn said:

    @DarkChaplain
    Damn, here I am having a drama-thread about improving CL content, and it turns up there are already thoughts about some similar ideas. Well, props to Warlock for actually thinking about stuff like that.

    @Trev
    This post deserves a serious reply for a change. (You can skip the first part, the second one is more to the point)

    I don't know if I need to explain this again, but I'm still the executive director of ZF. I write the code and my name's on the lease.

    Yeah-yeah, we are way past that already. You may sign anything you want, but at this moment of time you are a simple user. Trying to remind us that you are such-and-such (and your certain actions) will not help you here in any way.

    I've got a stake in what happens here. So does @acostoss, and so does Gargron, even.

    Three people I wouldn't trust with this site based on experience and personality. And all three are in a business together... yeah... Also, the most recent change to the site kinda shows how you work together - one does something (and I did laugh at the way it was done) saying the other told him to, the other one claims that he didn't and sheds all responsibility and the third one is smiling like an idiot while having a finger up his ass. I hope you can see how I am reluctant to trust any of you to do anything right?

    Additionally your masturbatory self-congratulations are unbecoming of someone who aspires to -- no, professes to be a leader among CL.

    Two points here. My masturbatory self-congratulations are perfectly normal reaction to posts that miss the point completely and instead center on me. Those post do stroke my Shovel. And second thing - where do you get the idea that I even want to be leader here? I only provide information of some or other kind. And most of the time I know that it would be the information people wouldn't like. How is that 'professing to be a leader'? You people honestly give me too much credit.

    Now, some people have told me that you have been less harsh to new users lately

    What? I really have to work on that then. For now I react to newfags based on two criteria - how stupid they look and how tired I am at the time. Actually, if anything (and this is honest truth), I was thinking that I am really cracking down on then recently and maybe I can be a bit less harsh with them. But I haven't tried that yet.

    I also understand that you are used to working against the establishment

    Not exactly right. Looking at most sites I visit, I am actually more used to working with the establishment. It's just that the establishment here on CL used to be the one working against me. Difference! And here I did both, with, if I can say so myself, great success.

    So it's up to you, Kirn.

    Not really. As I said, I am not that important. It's more up to Warlock to decide what is to be. And it's up to us all to help, contribute, approve or be indifferent.

    You can take my advice and let me help you with the site

    Once again, I am not the leader here. You wanna help? Talk to Warlock about what you can do. For my part, he knows that I am willing to help him out if he would need someone with my set of skills. You still wanna have me giving you things to do? Very tsundere of you, and I will send you a PM in a few minutes about how you can contribute.

    @Nekoo
    No! Just no! You know, back in the day, we had threads like you propose. Those threads bring nothing to the community, they take up space, and crowd up the front page. They are bad and useless and there's already to many of them anywhere you would care too look. Back when we had boards, those threads at least could be shipped to the spam board where they could be seen and visited only by people interested in such things without bothering anyone else. If we would have a lot of those now, with no way to remove them out of sight, it would be plain destructive!

  4. #621702013-08-05 16:34:01VivoDePyre said:

    Wow, this thread sure did become a clusterfuck. This kind of stuff is one of the main reasons I don't invite friends to this forum. Our old, foundational members can't talk about meta anything with becoming a shit storm. Every time I come back from a break, I hear "Oh yeah, there was a shit storm about x between y and z". It gets tiring to see staff last a few months, ownership change, bashing threads, etc.

    For the record, @Kirn, I think your tone is terrible. It's bad to attack an argument specifically for it's tone, but that tone is part of another issue for another day. That out of the way, I agree with the sentiment that this didn't start in the miserable place it ended up. It was initially a prompt to create more intelligent and robust content. We've had incredibly similar threads in the past, but not one recently. All that is well.

    I come back a little ways later and it's the internet equivalent of the great Chicago fire. Do you all seriously hate each other that much? It's ad hominem out the ass in here. We have a serious issue to consider, the revitalization of CL. We need to talk about how the site can improve, how we should treat our userbases (old and new), and how we can increase traffic/activity. If you all can't set aside differences long enough to just talk about that, I don't think CL needs to be revived. If we seriously cannot have a calm rational discussion, this forum should die off and we should all go our separate ways. I know I'll leave if it keeps up. I know that this has been a simmering hate-fest for the past half year easily.

    I'm sorry to treat you all like children, I understand I'm being very disrespectful. All of you contributing to the fight right now, defending yourself or going on the offensive, are acting like petty children. While I have no authority over you all, nor have I been active enough to act like I have a significant stake in the place, I think it needs to be said.

    Now, let's get back on topic. There seems to be some mention of new users and their place in the CL ecosystem. How forgiving should we be of new users? How should we punish new users who break rules/guidelines? If users don't meet the minimum criteria for being "good users", how do we treat them? As for issues of activity, can you all think of anyway to encourage activity? Maybe some kind of mundane point system would work. People seem to love increasing numbers that do nothing (gamerscore, trophies, achievements, etc).

    Now for fuck's sake, discuss.

  5. #621802013-08-05 18:41:32 *johan_5179 said:

    There has been one thread centered around the topic of projects in the past as well.

    To summarize that thread, the users asked for voice acting, chorus, drawing and writing like projects/contests to be organized, and everyone would like to know if the current crop of active users are interested in any of these topics. There were calls for 'Thread of the month/year' contest and this :). Please go over that thread once to see some things which I have missed in the summary.

    johan will be delighted to join (or even start) another writing contest, he would go for the chorus project as well. Voice acting is not his thing, neither is drawing.


    The search also threw up some interesting ideas like using CL Radio to play files uploaded by users.


    Now for some pessimism. I do not think that we can snap our fingers and increase the intelligence of the site. What we can do is to make projects/contests, and hope for the required participants to show up while being on the lookout for any talent which new/largely inactive people have. If we have multiple projects running, we could, could have a better contributions.

    Cultivating a sense of responsibility among our users is no easy feat, and past-record only convinces me further that it is up to the few dedicated users the site has to make good of it. Squabbles will only harm us, and the sad fact is that the people involved in the shitstorm above are all intelligent people in their own right, and are central to the contribution that the site will need in case we decide on anything that needs to be done, imo.

  6. #621952013-08-05 22:51:20Taro_Tanako said:

    Tbh, there are plenty of intelligent users on CL. It's really more about whether ppl see the need to engage intelligently.

    Projects are good but we probably need to be a bit more fair about who herds folks and organises since it's often DC (he's a tyrant but he's organised and cares) which I'd imagine is annoying for him, especially if he puts in the effort and it goes pear-shaped. Spread the burden.

    It's kind of odd that if you think about it, the people posting in this thread are actually probably the more active users that do engage. For good or bad they took the time to read this clusterfuck and then offer their own opinion.

  7. #622002013-08-06 00:06:40DarkChaplain said:

    I honestly don't mind hosting projects, and I'd rather do the lionshare of the work myself if possible, because that reduces the risks of fucking up significantly, and if it fails, it is my own fault and I don't have to run after others to finish their part.

    So yeah, the annoying part is not planning, hosting and doing the work, but running after people who fail to hand in their part of the project. If you want to reduce the burden projects represent, make sure to kick the arses of those who slack off and make others, and me, wait.

    But my competence only reaches so far, and I cannot be arsed to learn all the things necessary to take care of certain other project types. And, y'know, that also includes stuff like CL Podcasts and the likes - I ain't gonna host that, because I don't feel comfortable doing it.

  8. #621842013-08-05 19:12:40Kirn said:

    @VivoDePyre

    Now that I like. Direct, firm scolding by someone who didn't participate in the whole shitstorm.

    I will point out few things and will get to the theme of the thread.

    Do you all seriously hate each other that much?

    Yes. Simple truth of it - I do hate some of the people on CL that much and some of those hate me back the same. And that won't change - we will hate and despise each other and more than likely someone would be trying to fuck over the other one. However!

    I know that this has been a simmering hate-fest for the past half year easily.

    This I do not agree with. In my opinion, these last months are probably the calmest and nicest in CL history. Well, I do think back to the time when we had hate-threads galore and shitstorms like this one almost every day and it was considered to be normal state of affairs. No. While this thread somehow arrived to the point of being olde-style drama, I really think that overall we having a pretty calm time here. Well, this does serve as an example of how easy it can all go down still.

    Now!

    Speaking of CL users, those are coming in randomly or invited by someone... And you mentioning that you wouldn't want to invite someone here also shows a lot, sadly. No normal person would invite someone he likes to join CL.
    Well, let's look at those who enter randomly. Right now we mostly get slowpoke Drrr fans or some people who just randomly searched for 'anime chat'. Just today I saw a newfag entering, saying two phrases (someone greeted him, I think) and leaving shortly after. Presumably forever.
    Now, I know what kind of creature a newfag is, and I say that you can get some good info from the first impression. For example, if he tries to talk and introduce himself to people or maybe enter the conversation that is going - he is worth looking at. If he's just posting smileys, random phrases or going 'yay, Drrr' over and over - most likely you can safely write him off. Rare are the ones that would enter and lurk to get the general feel of the chat. Those are cunning!
    Then, after you established what kind of a newfag you are dealing with, you sent it to get a gravatar, and from that point we are starting to get his personality. He is now officially in the damn community and we have to deal with him as if he is exactly that.
    Well, that's, naturally, just a short newfag-hunting guide by me. And, of course, the ones invited by others are easier 'cause they would know about basic rules and would have grava and would be easier to break into community and would know what to expect and if they want it.

    Btw, with all the drama here, I am very glad to say that today, based on this thread, we had a very nice conversation about projects on chat. Jack had an interesting idea which I think wasn't proposed by anyone yet. On a more bitter note, Johan here searched for projects and it seems that we had about 20 projects (on new site) and of those we had only 5 projects successfully completed. So out success ratio is 1 in 4, which is not that great at all. And I do mean 'successfully completed' in a very broad term.
    For now I see two ways to improve things - we can start with projects that are easier to participate in or we can offer some rewards for winning/participating. Honestly, while I would want more people participating an something, I believe that participation should be dictated by you yourself liking the activity of some particular project (like example Johan provided in the post above), and rewards might make people participate for those rewards only and not for the activity... Well, you know what I mean.

    Again, those are the problems and challenges, and we would have to think of a way to overcome those.

  9. #621872013-08-05 20:06:30deng said:

    In my opinion, these last months are probably the calmest and nicest in CL history.

    Because I left. And suddenly activity dropped. Yup, was my fault, I did kind of spark a lot of emotions back at the start of the year. Apologies for that.

    No normal person would invite someone he likes to join CL.

    ... I'm a douche... Did invite a couple of people. They're probably still dropping by every once in a while.

    Just my general attention whoring. Don't mind me. Then again, considering how short the attention span of a visitor is, the probability of getting any random visitor to stay longer than a day would depend entirely on the current content, and it's relevance to that person's interests.

    The chat is only going to catch some visitor's attention, if there is an ongoing conversation. Nobody stays in and watches the chat all the time he's logged in it. I know I didn't. Then again I have 1 monitor, if I had 2, that might have been a different story.

    Did I mature? Probably not. But I am not a nostalgia fag anymore.

  10. #621892013-08-05 20:46:15DarkChaplain said:

    Because I left. And suddenly activity dropped. Yup, was my fault, I did kind of spark a lot of emotions back at the start of the year. Apologies for that.

    @deng, are you serious about this? Because if so, I have to inform you, that nobody gave even half a shit about you or your drama.... That was very low quality entertainment.
    You're.... not that impactful, I'm afraid.

  11. #621902013-08-05 21:04:15 *deng said:

    made you look Pfft, I know as much. After all, how the fuck would I know whether activity went up or down, considering I not here...
    "hashtagsymbol" swagyolo360noscope -> Apparently have to add this to make sarcastic comments obvious.
    (Note to self, hashtags are a bad idea)

  12. #621922013-08-05 22:03:45 *Jacek said:

    You can't change a community that's reluctant to change. First off, nothing I say is a personal attack on anyone, so don't get your panties in a knot.

    we can make CL a community of intelligent anime (and other things) lovers

    The problem I see with making this community an "intelligent" one is that the current members aren't as intelligent as they would like to admit. No specifics, but big words and proper sentence structure don't make you intelligent.

    This community has, for as long as I've been here, been full of people who like to do le torlling lelz xDDDDDD and it's still very much like that. I think this thread is a good enough example. This is what I'm referring to when I say people are reluctant to change. A lot of threads over the years have popped up asking for how we can change the community and every time there are people who say that we need to shape up and change our act. But it doesn't happen, and because of it the community as a whole suffers.

    New users (and guys seriously, stop using newfag. If you want to use newfag, go back to /b/) are often intimidated by our behavior and what's funny is that some of the people who intimidate and intentionally ward off new users, respectable or not, ask for change and improvement. How do you expect to get new members when you make quick judgement of them and decide if they're worthy or not to stay?

    The forums aren't any better than the chat. If a thread pops up that is deemed unworthy by at least one person who has influence, automatically that thread is filled with le torlling lelz. This is pretty much every Ashka thread. I agree that generally her threads are shit, and I've even partaken in the le torlling huehuehue of her threads, but really guys. It's not even logical. If the thread is awful, delete it. Or ignore it and let it get thrown to the later pages that most people don't even check. Le torllling lelelelel'ing a thread brings attention to it and the OP. Askha probably would have faded into obscurity had people just ignored her shit threads.

    Now you may want to know, "Jacek! Since you're apparently so wise and smart and above everyone, what do?" Well Timmy, thanks for admitting I am above everyone. If we want an intelligent community, you're first going to have to establish what kind of intelligent community it is. If we want an intelligent community that constantly le torlllllling heuhehuheuheuheuheuh's each other, then you can't expect much out of the current members and can't expect to get any new respectable ones. Because why would they act intelligently when they can just go around calling everyone a fag and bashing someone everyone else does?

    If we actually want a respectable community that has genuine conversations about any given topic without some queer coming in and going, "HUH HUH I AM TROLL PORNPORNPORNPORNPORN HENTAIHENTAIHENTAIBOKUNOPICOHENTAI" and then de-railing the entire thread into a giant shitstorm, then set an example and stop it yourself. No excuses like, "WELL I'LL DO IT WHEN THE COMMUNITY GETS BETTER" because if everyone thinks like that no change will be made.

    Oh, and this is sort of a last minute thought I had after I hit post. Guys, don't act high and mighty, whether you've got status or not. It whens you no favors and makes you look like some e-tyrant who has power issues IRL and wishes they could do something about it.

  13. #622072013-08-06 04:37:12squareof3 said:

    The way I see it and have always seen it is that the CL is made up mainly of three groups of people. The outright morons, the intelligent users who would just rather use the site for the lulz, and of course the Intelligent users who sometimes it seems looks down on the rest. I think the way we have to look at the CL now is as if it was some sort of company. We need to market to all types of users while still maintaing the same standards. How we would do that is beyond me. It seems that there is a real problem with participation in general.

  14. #622132013-08-06 08:01:26 *Kirn said:

    @deng

    The chat is only going to catch some visitor's attention, if there is an ongoing conversation.

    Not true. Over the past few days I saw 3 newfags who entered during ongoing conversations. They reacted and talked differently, but let me tell you - not a single one of them tried to join in on the conversation or even stayed on the chat. So, no. There's no guide to make a newfag stay. If you would talk about your stuff while he appears, he would become angry that noone pays him any attention and he would leave. If we would pay him attention, he would get scared and leave, loosing blood along the way. You try to break him into community nicely right away? 80% he would not return the next day anyway.

    @Jacek

    Your post got too much 'trololo lulz huehuehue' in it. And in general, you post seems very facetious (yes, I used big word there).

    The problem I see with making this community an "intelligent"

    You are way too slow on this one. We are already not talking about intelligence here. We are taking about making community more involved. So you are kind of late on the whole point here.

    full of people who like to do le torlling lelz xDDDDDD and it's still very much like that.

    Again, no. I haven't seen proper trolling idiocy here for quite a while. I actually have to think again to think back to the olde CL again. Even my own last (and only) trolling thread was, I think, more than a year ago. Now, I know that you mean other things, but it is not trolling, it has another name.

    some of the people who intimidate and intentionally ward off new users, respectable or not, ask for change and improvement. How do you expect to get new members when you make quick judgement of them and decide if they're worthy or not to stay?

    Too specific example for "nothing I say is a personal attack" post. Just saying. Also, I do not ask for improvements. I command you people to improve! No, I'm joking. But still, I do not ask - I propose or I do. I am too old too expect anyone here to do anything only because they are asked.
    Oh, and about newfags. I have to say that you don't have to be an expert on human behavior to make a good prognosis on whether someone would stay on the site. And you don't even have to bash them - they would just leave after nothing bad happened to them.

    This is pretty much every Ashka thread. I agree that generally her threads are shit, and I've even partaken in the le torlling huehuehue of her threads, but really guys. It's not even logical.

    That's where you are wrong. Twice wrong even. First of all, what you mean is not trolling, its direct attacks on thread or user. Please, call things by their names and not by words you know from the internet.
    Next, bashing idiots like Ashka has two logical purposes. It makes them feel uncomfortable about making something idiotic like that so they might think better next time or maybe leave the site, which is case of Ashka would be an improvement. But more importantly, it also shows other people what kind of stupidity is not tolerated - so they, knowing that, won't do that.

    There you go. But you know what? You (and me, by answering to you) have went way too far from the topic here. Again. Can we stop doing that? Still, if you would have anything to say about improving content - go ahead.

  15. #623312013-08-08 07:05:39deng said:

    ... And if there's nobody in there, they will leave 100% of the time, not even waiting 5 minutes. Hey, it's a 20% improvement, based on your own statistics.

  16. #623322013-08-08 07:39:58Kirn said:

    @deng it's just that your calculations suck. And assumptions. And you too, actually.
    A person with even half a brain would be able to understand that if chat is not active now, it may be active during some other time. The ones who see empty chat and leave are the same ones that would leave if chat is active but noone take time to entertain them personally.

  17. #623332013-08-08 07:56:18deng said:

    @Kirn See, that's just wrong. With nothing happening, for a period of time, one, that is not familiar with the nature of the chat itself would leave, however, if you don't know the nature of the chat, and there is something going on. Anything at all, two or more people talking, it's easier to jump in, and join the discussion. Starting a discussion is just that hard, because, when nobody is talking, many of the people just check it up occasionally. Talking when nobody's listening is just plain silly, and the proof of that is that one screenshot with Idon'tevenrememberwho talking to himself. I think on several occasions even.

  18. #623342013-08-08 08:04:53DarkChaplain said:

    @deng
    I rarely ever see new users jump into ongoing conversations. Instead, I see them ask about shit covered in the FAQ or nonsense. And no, I've also seen a shitload of new people talking to themselves or returning half an hour later to check back on chat.

    Timezones are also a reality. Chat can't be active 24/7.

    But you know the cool thing?

    WE HAVE A MOTHERFUCKIN' FORUM FOR THEM TO CHECK OUT

    But a lot of them don't even try that. And don't even remind me of people not getting it into their heads to read the god-damn FAQ or sticky threads before asking dumb questions...

  19. #623352013-08-08 08:10:21Kirn said:

    @deng okay, I can see where you are making a mistake here.
    Since we are talking about newfags here, we have to think like... hunters! Hunter have to know his prey, he should be able to predict its behavior. And to do that, we have to look at the whole environment. Now, right now I am not talking about newfags who enter while someone is talking... right now we are interested in those who came on during the off hours. And here we may encounter three reactions.
    1. The person was one of those 'lololol, I wanna chat on the Drrr chat!' and, seeing as noone is on, he leaves. No loss here.
    2. The person is more thoughtful, so he decides to check out the forum while the chat is quiet. he may or may not like our community based on forum then, so in the end he may leave after deciding we are horrible people (and rightly so) or he may give us a chance and learn about when chat is active and talk to us then. 3. This is a sort of a mix. He may not read the forum, but still may decide to just join the chat later. Now, he might be Drrr fan who's just wants to talk on 'real Drrr chat!' so much, or he might be thoughtful person knowing about time-zones and such, who just doesn't have the time to meet us through reading the forum.
    Naturally, those predictions are not 100% accurate, but they can be used as guidelines.

    In the end, what I am trying to say here is this - entering the chat for the first time and not seeing anyone should not be seen as a tragedy. Nor it is something that would 100% scare off good newfags.

  20. #623362013-08-08 10:19:49deng said:

    @DarkChaplain, I'm working on assumptions here, I haven't seen any new members, period.
    I have no idea what they actually do. I'm just saying how it looks from an outsider perspective, because, I am, an outsider right now. No need to get upset.
    I myself never got into the chat at all, when I first joined this site. I just kept to the forum, lurking mostly, and doing my own thing with a bunch of other members.

    @Kirn Point taken. No need to keep this up, Like I stated to DC, I just offered my point of view as an outsider. It's not exactly on topic either, so...

  21. #622152013-08-06 08:35:09Jacek said:

    @Kirn

    Your post got too much 'trololo lulz huehuehue' in it. And in general, you post seems very facetious (yes, I used bug word there).

    A bug word indeed.

    You are way too slow on this one. We are already not talking about intelligence here. We are taking about making community more involved. So you are kind of late on the whole point here.

    Unless the topic is derailed from the OP, the intelligence topic still stands.

    Again, no. I haven't seen proper trolling idiocy here for quite a while. I actually have to think again to think back to the olde CL again. Even my own last (and only) trolling thread was, I think, more than a year ago. Now, I know that you mean other things, but it is not trolling, it has another name.

    Nor have I. I also know that you don't know what I mean, nor can you pick up on a joke. By saying, "huehue le trolling" I'm not talking about genuine trolling. Everyone on this site is too daft for it.

    Too specific example for "nothing I say is a personal attack" post. Just saying. Also, I do not ask for improvements. I command you people to improve! No, I'm joking. But still, I do not ask - I propose or I do. I am too old too expect anyone here to do anything only because they are asked. Oh, and about newfags. I have to say that you don't have to be an expert on human behavior to make a good prognosis on whether someone would stay on the site. And you don't even have to bash them - they would just leave after nothing bad happened to them.

    Cute. No, I'm not talking about anyone in specific. I wasn't thinking about anyone in specific. But you do fall into that category.

    That's where you are wrong. Twice wrong even. First of all, what you mean is not trolling, its direct attacks on thread or user. Please, call things by their names and not by words you know from the internet. Next, bashing idiots like Ashka has two logical purposes. It makes them feel uncomfortable about making something idiotic like that so they might think better next time or maybe leave the site, which is case of Ashka would be an improvement. But more importantly, it also shows other people what kind of stupidity is not tolerated - so they, knowing that, won't do that.

    There you go. But you know what? You (and me, by answering to you) have went way too far from the topic here. Again. Can we stop doing that? Still, if you would have anything to say about improving content - go ahead.

    Please, Kirn, you're too literal. Calm down. You're also not entirely right about showing other people that a certain kind of stupidity isn't tolerated. What you're missing is that it also shows how toxic the community is.

  22. #622172013-08-06 09:18:36 *Kirn said:

    @Jacek

    A bug word indeed.

    Ah, thank you for that.

    Unless the topic is derailed from the OP, the intelligence topic still stands.

    Did you read the topic? The discussion moved on. You are left behind. Question of intelligence is very secondary now. (We kinda lost hope to have any intelligence on CL for now)

    By saying, "huehue le trolling" I'm not talking about genuine trolling.

    I just said that you aren't talking about trolling. Try using words that mean what you are talking about.

    No, I'm not talking about anyone in specific. I wasn't thinking about anyone in specific. But you do fall into that category.

    Cute.

    Please, Kirn, you're too literal. Calm down. You're also not entirely right about showing other people that a certain kind of stupidity isn't tolerated. What you're missing is that it also shows how toxic the community is.

    Fuck yes, I am literal. You, however, aren't even coherent. And let me show you exactly what is wrong with the community:
    Oldfag creates an alt and makes as idiotic thread as he can imagine. If left be, these are the things that would pass for entertainment around here. Not interested.
    Ashka makes yet another alt and creates a thread she herself already created. Yes, fucking Ashka again. I don't even think I have to point out everything that is wrong about this.
    Final exhibit, actual dumb newfag thread. This guy (16 y.o. if you are wondering) came on chat, horsed around for about 3 days proving to be not even remotely smart. Then he made this thread which was locked (I wonder why, right?), and I haven't seen him since. He probably got offended by locking. That's not the newfags I would want to see and they aren't the ones to improve anything here.

    So yeah, seems like I am the one who doesn't want to live in the land of forum counting games and huehuehue.

  23. #622362013-08-06 18:07:06 *johan_5179 said:

    http://youchew.net/wiki/images/f/fd/Slow-Clap.gif

    However, as previous posts say, we aren't actually classifying people into stupid and such. All we are (I am) looking for is a way to increase participation on the part of existing users, key words for me being, as I've said before 'responsibility' and motivation.