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HAY GAYZ PARTY IN CRIMEA (BUT NOT SO SOON, SAYS PUTIN) (CAUSE HE OWNS IT NOW, BEEYACH)

  1. #708722014-03-04 02:08:36hellstorm901 said:

    You may say they are influenced by Europe but last time I checked there were no NATO forces inside Ukraine. Only Russian Federation soldiers. Europe offering trade deals and access to European Union institutions is hardly meddling that justified armed intervention. Russia in fact has such trade deals across the globe which have yet to result in armed intervention from any other nation who does so to protect their interests.

    What Russia is doing is "Gunboat Diplomacy" in its quite literal sense. It does not want a Ukraine free of Russian control much less a Ukraine which prefers to do business with the West rather than Moscow.

    If Ukraine tomorrow said it no longer wished to join the EU and wanted to be part of/have close ties with Russia I guarantee you the Russian troops would go home and the "Illegal Neo - Nazi, Extremist, Western Government" would suddenly have Russia's blessing to rule Ukraine and the former president would not be offered any sort of immunity in Russia.

    • Oppose Russia, you burn.
    • Worship Russia, you're ruling elite are showered with luxuries as your people are led into a false sense of security.

    Yes true of the West but regardless of what you'll probably try and say, the West at the least doesn't try to hide it, we know bankers get bonuses and leaders get mansions there's no secrecy to that whereas Russia lies and denies that it bribes people left, right and center claiming to be a nation not corrupted when as we've seen with the Presidential Palace in Ukraine, that's clearly not the case.

    Also I've listened to Russia's Foreign Ministers speeches and I can only describe them as being lie filled, hypocritical and full of more bullshit than George Bushes infamous "Saddam has the bomb" speeches and Baghdad Bobs famous "There are no foreign troops in Baghdad." Speech

  2. #709982014-03-06 14:30:51hellstorm901 said:

    So much for fact finding mission. The United Nations special envoy sent to Crimea got ran out of the country by well dressed armed Russian Terrorists.

    Elsewhere we've had well dressed armed Russian Terrorists fire shots in the air and threatening to shoot unarmed Ukrainian soldiers in the legs for trying to cross their perimeter. One well dress armed Russian Terrorist was even observed readying an RPG.

    The Ukrainian government refutes any claims these are "Self Defense Forces" as Russia is claiming and demands Russia show just where in Crimea you can buy such surplus equipment including military grade assault weapons, light machine guns rocket launchers and military vehicles.

    Russia still decided to go ahead with testing of an Nuclear weapons capable Inter Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) despite ongoing tensions. NATO said it knew about the test well in advance as it had been planned before the crisis but were clearly not happy at Putin's disregard for ongoing tensions.

    In other news a Russia Today journalist was told off for not reporting the "Truth" after she gave a live on air condemnation of what she claims as the Russian invasion of Crimea the episode was immediately suppressed to pretend it never happened however Streisand effect be praised. This gives a shocking insight into Russian state media as a whole whereby journalists are not entitled to form their own opinions if they conflict with the stance of the Russian government. www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHYUPbnSs_0

  3. #709992014-03-06 14:47:05Kirn said:

    More russiaevil? This is getting quite retarded.

    And I am oh so glad to see that noone gives a fuck about the fact that now, with Russia stepping in not being an issue anymore, we once again having right-wing fuckers parading the streets, looking for people to beat up.

    I guess being ignorant is great when it's not your country being fucked.

  4. #710002014-03-06 16:38:38hellstorm901 said:

    Just in. Second Russian RT journalists quits live on air in protest to Russia's armed invasion.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzU4xvN1MU

    @Kirn Here's the so far Top - 10 list of Russia's lies and myths being used to justify armed intervention.

    • 1 - Mr Putin says: Russian forces in Crimea are only acting to protect Russian military assets. It is "citizens' defense groups," not Russian forces, who have seized infrastructure and military facilities in Crimea.

    The Facts: Strong evidence suggests that members of Russian security services are at the heart of the highly organized anti-Ukraine forces in Crimea. While these units wear uniforms without insignia, they drive vehicles with Russian military license plates and freely identify themselves as Russian security forces when asked by the international media and the Ukrainian military. Moreover, these individuals are armed with weapons not generally available to civilians.

    • 2 - Mr Putin says: Russia’s actions fall within the scope of the 1997 Friendship Treaty between Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

    The Facts: The 1997 agreement requires Russia to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity. Russia's military actions in Ukraine, which have given them operational control of Crimea, are in clear violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.

    • 3 - Mr Putin says: The opposition failed to implement the February 21 agreement with former

    The Facts: The February 21 agreement laid out a plan in which the Rada, or Parliament, would pass a bill to return Ukraine to its 2004 Constitution, thus returning the country to a constitutional system centered around its parliament. Under the terms of the agreement, Yanukovych was to sign the enacting legislation within 24 hours and bring the crisis to a peaceful conclusion. Yanukovych refused to keep his end of the bargain. Instead, he packed up his home and fled, leaving behind evidence of wide-scale corruption.

    • 4 - Mr Putin says: Ukraine’s government is illegitimate. Yanukovych is still the legitimate leader of Ukraine.

    The Facts: On March 4, President Putin himself acknowledged the reality that Yanukovych "has no political future." After Yanukovych fled Ukraine, even his own Party of Regions turned against him, voting to confirm his withdrawal from office and to support the new government. Ukraine’s new government was approved by the democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament, with 371 votes - more than an 82% majority. The interim government of Ukraine is a government of the people, which will shepherd the country toward democratic elections on May 25th - elections that will allow all Ukrainians to have a voice in the future of their country.

    • 5 - Mr Putin says: There is a humanitarian crisis and hundreds of thousands are fleeing Ukraine to Russia and seeking asylum.

    The Facts: To date, there is absolutely no evidence of a humanitarian crisis. Nor is there evidence of a flood of asylum-seekers fleeing Ukraine for Russia. International organizations on the ground have investigated by talking with Ukrainian border guards, who also refuted these claims. Independent journalists observing the border have also reported no such flood of refugees.

    • 6 - Mr Putin says: Ethnic Russians are under threat.

    The Facts: Outside of Russian press and Russian state television, there are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians being under threat. The new Ukrainian government placed a priority on peace and reconciliation from the outset. President Oleksandr Turchynov refused to sign legislation limiting the use of the Russian language at regional level. Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers have filed petitions attesting that their communities have not experienced threats. Furthermore, since the new government was established, calm has returned to Kyiv. There has been no surge in crime, no looting, and no retribution against political opponents.

    • 7 - Mr Putin says: Russian bases are under threat.

    The Facts: Russian military facilities were and remain secure, and the new Ukrainian government has pledged to abide by all existing international agreements, including those covering Russian bases. It is Ukrainian bases in Crimea that are under threat from Russian military action.

    • 8 - Mr Putin says: There have been mass attacks on churches and synagogues in southern and eastern Ukraine.

    The Facts: Religious leaders in the country and international religious freedom advocates active in Ukraine have said there have been no incidents of attacks on churches. All of Ukraine’s church leaders, including representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate, have expressed support for the new political leadership, calling for national unity and a period of healing. Jewish groups in southern and eastern Ukraine report that they have not seen an increase in anti-Semitic incidents.

    • 9 - Mr Putin says: Kyiv is trying to destabilize Crimea.

    The Facts: Ukraine’s interim government has acted with restraint and sought dialogue. Russian troops, on the other hand, have moved beyond their bases to seize political objectives and infrastructure in Crimea. The government in Kyiv immediately sent the former Chief of Defense to defuse the situation. Petro Poroshenko, the latest government emissary to pursue dialogue in Crimea, was prevented from entering the Crimean Rada.

    • 10 - Mr Putin says: The Rada is under the influence of extremists or terrorists.

    The Facts: The Rada is the most representative institution in Ukraine. Recent legislation has passed with large majorities, including from representatives of eastern Ukraine. Far-right wing ultranationalist groups, some of which were involved in open clashes with security forces during the EuroMaidan protests, are not represented in the Rada. There is no indication that the Ukrainian government would pursue discriminatory policies; on the contrary, they have publicly stated exactly the opposite.

  5. #710012014-03-06 17:01:43Kirn said:

    Oh, the humanity...

    freely identify themselves as Russian security forces when asked by the international media and the Ukrainian military.

    No.

    Moreover, these individuals are armed with weapons not generally available to civilians.

    Have you heard, btw, that right-wingers raided military storages in the west part of the country and got military weapons? No, I know you didn't.

    Instead, he packed up his home and fled, leaving behind evidence of wide-scale corruption.

    The deal with the opposition was made. After which they were the ones who refused to make things civil and continued the riots.

    President Putin himself acknowledged the reality that Yanukovych "has no political future."

    Yes. But still a president until a legitimate elections.

    After Yanukovych fled Ukraine, even his own Party of Regions turned against him, voting to confirm his withdrawal from office and to support the new government. Ukraine’s new government was approved by the democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament, with 371 votes - more than an 82% majority.

    With armed maidan people right there in the parlament building threatening the Region Party. Very democratic.

    To date, there is absolutely no evidence of a humanitarian crisis.

    Right-wing marches right in me city, armed, yelling slogans that are close to fascist.

    Furthermore, since the new government was established, calm has returned to Kyiv.

    I laugh in your face. There are talks about hanging pro-Russian people on the squares, monuments are demolished, and there are threads to send train of fully armed people, not military or police, mind you, to 'deal with' people in the east.

    bases are under threat.

    I'd say Ukrainian bases are under threat from Ukrainian people. Right now the military and police forces are being fucked by the new 'government' without any logic.

    All of Ukraine’s church leaders, including representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate, have expressed support for the new political leadership

    This one I don't know. I do know that some fucking church people were on maidan stage, but those people are fucking crazy anyways. And trust me, if Jews are actually expressing anything on the matter - it's in their business interests.

    The government in Kyiv immediately sent the former Chief of Defense to defuse the situation. Petro Poroshenko, the latest government emissary to pursue dialogue in Crimea, was prevented from entering the Crimean Rada.

    True. And also that Poroshenko guy is supporting this coup only because he was made to share some of his money during the last government. We all know the guy, he's a candy maker and just has personal reasons to have Yanukovich government. Not the best mediator.

    The Rada is the most representative institution in Ukraine.

    Rada is a joke now. Actually even more than in any previous years. Pretty much blinded by their own success in this joke of a revolution. First day they gathered, it was literally painful to hear. And even now, prisoners were freed, people who did nothing wrong are sued... I am surprised they didn't pass any laws removing Putin from power. That's the expected amount of stupid there atm.

    But, naturally, you have no idea about any of that. Just your bogus 'facts'. Well, those are my facts, and to confirm those you had to be here when it all went down. Still, for some of those it's enough to just walk outside. But yeah, you, from there, watching you US sponsored news, yeah, you are obviously the expert.

  6. #710032014-03-06 18:33:54Ecstasy said:

    @Kirn oh man, isn't Ukraine just a puny country for evil Russia anyway? What is Putin even thinking? Why aren't we owning the rest of the world yet? So far ahead of the plan now, because these politicians be smoking some real shit all day every day.

    But no worries! We'll get there eventually.