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  1. CL Chorus Villains Medley: IS OUT!!!


    #786352014-06-23 20:20:52 *olivaisfire1997 said:

    IT'S DONE PEOPLE!

    We finally finished the chorus video and it is out on the Youtubes, so without further ado! The Video!!!

    Lenght of the Medley: 8 Minutes with 7 Songs

    Song List:

    001: Be Prepared
    002: Hellfire
    003: Prince Ali (reprise)
    004: Friends On The Other Side
    005: Poor Unfortunate Souls
    009: Mama Knows Best
    013: My Lullaby

    Participants list:

    Singers:

    @Kirn
    @Dark-B
    @Rinneko
    @olivaisfire1997
    @Teru
    @CloudVariasKira
    @abinit123
    @Frey
    @Kittycat
    @Kip

    Editors:

    Audio Editor: @Ecstasy
    Video Editor: @Dark-B

  2. #786592014-06-23 23:51:32olivaisfire1997 said:

    @MrTrain If you're asking if I want to retry my previous chorus, with the same song, then no. If, instead, you're asking if the chorus will be a disney villain medley, that's a maybe, not even a maybe, it's a slight probability, we're just having a brainstorm of chorus ideas right now, the medley is one of the possibilities.

  3. #786962014-06-24 06:04:19Kirn said:

    @olivaisfire1997 Well, let's see... not the best chorus intentions announcement, really, but if you want to do this again - hey, that's good.

    We don't have any chorus going at the time, but on the latest podcast people talked about a possibility of a new chorus. Actually, I think I should ping @SirTingles here to talk with you on that matter and maybe provide some support too.

    Video you linked is not really good at all, because what is it, some kid lip-synching to the songs? Not much value. Hell, links going from that video have much better medley value. However, songs presented are good, obviously, because those are the goddamn villain songs. And hey, those are English songs, so there's the obvious value. So if you would want to do something like that, this is a good intention, but you may want to try and pick your own mix of songs. After all, there are a lot of good evil songs in Disney cartoons. You may want to have a mix of your own choosing, and you may want to consider the length of the whole thing. Maybe even test the waters with proper chorus thread, to see how many people you can get with this theme, and then decide on how big you can make it. Hey, as I said, we aren't having any chorus atm, so quite a few people could be missing this activity and would be happy to join.

    Also here's a relevant link for you to have some more inspiration. Villain songs are not limited to just cartoons.

  4. #787482014-06-24 15:55:45olivaisfire1997 said:

    @Kirn First of all, I'm extremly glad that this idea caught your attention, you were a great help in my previous project, and hope you'll also be now. In fact, you're already being. I was actually unaware that some thought was being put for another chorus, since, unfortunately, I'm not that much of a podcast guy, but I hope this one makes people like it. Also, about the video, the singer is not lip-synching to the original songs, just his own recording, he's actually very tallented in terms of singing, I also chose the video for the obvious medley pre-set, to use it as a possible base to our own medley. Finallly, I'm glad you're interested and are also tagging people who could be interested, and thanks for the NC video, althoguh, I hadn't thought of using it much, since I wa sort of thinking an all-disney medley, but I might end up using other songs, like I said, there is still a lot to develop in the ideas for this project.

  5. #787012014-06-24 06:28:53 *Rinneko said:

    Oh, a possibility of a new chorus? That sounds fun. :) Most people probably like Disney, and given that it is in English, it looks alright. Not sure if the chorus would turn out as villain-y as the original though.

  6. #788172014-06-25 08:04:11Kirn said:

    This announcement is so "little", I didn't even realize this thread was somehow relevant.

    Pretty much what I was talking about.

    So, anyways. What you have to do now is decide on what you want to have as a song or songs. Then you make a thread, and if you don't have video or audio editor yet, you will have to start thread with looking for one. Well, that's the same thing I did for my own chorus, so you are likely to find someone.

    Pretty much, what you need to do is to decide on stuff, and proceed. And don't forget - thread name has to make people know right away that there's a chorus going on.

  7. #788242014-06-25 14:26:33olivaisfire1997 said:

    I guess I might as well tag people, who could be interested in this project, or could give me any future help, @n1xx @Taro_Tanako @Momimochi @Fieyr , That's all I can think of so far.

    Also, in terms of the chorus, since it's stil only an idea, I have some suggestions, I'll just do a briefing of the whole project, you all could tell me what you think: The chorus I have in mind is a Disney Villain Medley, although, I might change that, for there are a lot, of great villain songs that are non-Disney. I originally intended for a 10 minute medley, with 7 or 6 songs, but, if there are requests for several songs, or people want to sing more, I could try and extend the time. Although I already have some songs in mind I also intend to listen to every future participants' choices first, to know what people would generally like. I still have to decide on a lot of things, such as voting, schedules, and editors, for which I would like to say, if anyone is interested in being a video, or sound editor, feel free to volunteer.

  8. #788262014-06-25 15:21:44 *Momimochi said:

    >Three-part harmony

    >CL

    Hah. Right. Okay.


    EDIT: Seriously. You people need to stop choosing songs where the main appeal is its harmonies.
    We are CL; not a choir where everyone can sing.

    I mean, hell, to lay it out bluntly, more than half you lot can't even keep the damn pitch on the melody, so please. Stop choosing these Disney songs where half the appeal is harmony. :V

  9. #788272014-06-25 15:39:03TeruShinozaki said:

    I agree. The reason the Still Alive chorus was so successful and sounded good was because it's a simple song, no harmonies, and it didn't aim too high and didn't risk the quality of the chorus for something everybody knows only a handful of individuals on CL can do. Three-part harmonies could turn people off this project too. I know it's important to uphold a certain standard, but its also good to be able to gauge the community's limit.

  10. #788292014-06-25 16:47:00 *olivaisfire1997 said:

    I guess I can see your point. I can't deny it, most of CL does not have the talent or training to sing songs with such complexity as these. But, then again, that's not my main focus here, I'm not looking for talent, or proper singing that follows rules. What I want is to relive these songs, these songs, and all of Disney hold a very special place in our hearts and childhoods, and I want to recapture that memory that we all have of singing our favorite Disney songs. I want people to enjoy singing, to enjoy being part of a project, that so many people can relate to. Also, please, are you implying that I would willingly choose Disney, knowing that I would not be able to sing it? I never wished for this chorus, or any other to be something for which you have to thrive for, or something that you have to perfect to be a work of art. When I create a chorus, I'm doing it for the sole purpose of having fun as a community, and creating something relatable to things we like. So, to anyone who's expecting a professional chorus, filled with tallented singers, editors, and management, I'm sorry, but this is not for you, this is for people to have fun singing.

  11. #788302014-06-25 17:18:52 *Momimochi said:

    But, then again, that's not my main focus here, I'm not looking for talent, or proper singing that follows rules. What I want is to relive these songs, these songs, and all of Disney hold a very special place in our hearts and childhoods, and I want to recapture that memory that we all have of singing our favorite Disney songs.

    So, recapture the moment of all of us completely ruining our own childhood.

    Also, please, are you implying that I would willingly choose Disney, knowing that I would not be able to sing it?

    Yes. Just like your last one.

    I never wished for this chorus, or any other to be something for which you have to thrive for, or something that you have to perfect to be a work of art.

    Didn't even imply that it should be a perfect work of art; but making it decent would be step number one-- a step that we can't achieve because it will sound like a mesh of monotonous robots speaking

    When I create a chorus, I'm doing it for the sole purpose of having fun as a community, and creating something relatable to things we like.

    Except for when the creation itself becomes an object of embarrassment when you look back and start to question all your life choices.

    So, to anyone who's expecting a professional chorus, filled with tallented singers, editors, and management, I'm sorry, but this is not for you, this is for people to have fun singing.

    Which line did I say professional and talented. Don't be so quick to judge what I'm saying when I didn't even state anything similar to it. I just said we're shit enough that we cannot harmonize and that the songs would lose its appeal, period. Not to mention harmonies fuck people over when they're listening for the melody. Please. Learn to comprehend English before replying.


    EDIT: I mean, if you still don't get it, the post above yours sums up what I was saying. Know the capabilities of the people who you're offering to do the chorus to. Don't pick things that doesn't suit what they can do because that just ruins the experience for everyone and their grandparents. In this case, I am saying that you guys can't do it.

    You know why I'm saying this? Because I hear the raw vocals for every single one of you when I'm mixing.
    I know, to what extent, most people that will join the chorus can handle.
    My relative pitch is above average; I know how much I have to tune people when I actually feel like being nice enough.
    And I know that when CL gets off tune, it's not just a few cents off; it's a whole three scales off.

    Also, just like to point out

    Also, please, are you implying that I would willingly choose Disney, knowing that I would not be able to sing it?

    I

    Good to know that you don't give a shit about the capabilities of everyone else who's joining, since, you know, if you're able to do it, everyone else must be able to, too, right?
    then again, you don't even know what you're capable of, hah.

  12. #788312014-06-25 17:45:45 *Cenica said:

    Know the capabilities of the people who you're offering to do the chorus to.

    You should have probably stopped right there. All CL choruses are done for fun and not for quality. As evidenced by the final products. From what I've seen of CL choruses nobody is on the same level as far as capabilities.
    If you don't have anything to contribute to this project vacate the thread. It's not your project. You're not aiding in any way, merely complaining about how much you think the final product will lack in quality because of the song difficulty.
    As Olivaisfire stated already he's not focusing on quality but the fun of the project. Therefore I see no problem with this.

    IT'S FOR FUN!

    Who cares how people sound if they're having fun? You don't have to listen to it.

    Also I suggest making a skype group for chorus projects and maybe practicing a bit or giving tips to one another. It's something I've been thinking choruses could benefit from for a while so that you don't have to rely so much on editing to spin a good project. Rather improving how people sing initially than having to make them sound better later. It could be fun if done properly and as long as no one get offensive.
    No one sings perfectly so everyone could benefit from it.

  13. #788372014-06-25 18:02:09 *Momimochi said:

    @Cenica

    Complaining but not aiding? Don't give me that shit when I was just advising to go with another song choice. And it's not like as if the song was already set in stone. Makes me feel as if the community as a whole just can't read when even a mod lacks the comprehension of something so simple.

    And like what I explained, when it's not to the rest of the community's capabilities, not even matching up to the bare minimum mind you, it takes away from the fun. Know why I know this? I've been there and done that. Maybe you should, oh, I don't know, stop being so narrow-minded and honed in on one fact and consider everything else as well.

    Who cares how people sound if they're having fun? You don't have to listen to it.

    When something is hard it takes away the fun. What you guys need to understand that, while quality isn't everything, it doesn't give you an excuse to make something as utterly repulsive as possible all because you're too head-strong to consider the evident facts that has been shoved in your face since day one. Especially when you've got the chance to avoid said repulsive results with better alternatives. In which case, I am suggesting OP to get off his ass and find a more suitable one for CL.

    Also I suggest making a skype group for chorus projects and maybe practicing a bit or giving tips to one another. It's something I've been thinking choruses could benefit from for a while so that you don't have to rely so much on editing to spin a good project. Rather improving how people sing initially than having to make them sound better later. It could be fun if done properly and as long as no one get offensive.

    Doesn't work; tried it for two choruses.

    EDIT:
    Oh, look, even Kirn got my point. Jesus Christ people.

  14. #788342014-06-25 17:57:09Kirn said:

    Yay, argument!

    Now. Momi, while being an elitist bitch that she is, does have a solid point. So it is something worth looking for - there may be enough villain songs out there that are simpler than the average ones.

    Btw, that reminds me - 10 minutes feels like too much, really. Last chorus n1xx did was what? 10 minutes, yes. And that was also one of the many reasons it sucked major ass.
    I would still recommend going for... maybe 6-7 minutes and with perhaps fewer songs with every song getting more time.

    Also, while we do this for fun, quality is a concern, always, so you should think about it too. Well, that's what you have to get sound editor for. When I did my chorus, Ecstasy not only did a great job, she pretty much plainly stated that some people suck much more than others, and those people just got much fewer lines. Yes, it's unequal, but it worked.

    And about what Cen said:
    I am firnly against skype group, or trying to sing to each other on skype. Waste of time that will be, trust me. In two days it would just deteriorate into people horsing around and doing nothing and distracting those who are actually doing something with some unrelated shit. So don't do that. Yeah, may sound good for practice, but... Really, people, I was in voice-acting skype group, I know how horrible it really is.

    Saying that - giving tips is a good idea, so, again, if you have someone who actually knows stuff about singing - those people would do well to provide some guides and tips for singing in general and for singing particular parts of the song. May be a minor detail, but can boost the overall perfarmance somewhat.

    And last thing - stop fucking arguing, ye fuckers. I haven't been in a chorus for a while, so I do want to participate in one. So don't you fuck this up for me.

  15. #788352014-06-25 18:00:11Cenica said:

    Yeah, I can see how a skype group would deteriorate pretty quickly. Mainly I thought it'd be good for posting vids or tips on proper singing techniques like how to breathe and where and how to practice. Things like that.

  16. #788402014-06-25 18:24:00Taro_Tanako said:

    Kirn-san is interchangeable for my voice (apparently) so we should impersonate each other haha. I like the idea of him doing Scar or something..

  17. #788362014-06-25 18:01:41Cenica said:

    Personally I think it'd be fun to do a chorus that's villians vs heroes or something like that. Switching back and forth between the two.
    Just an idea.

  18. #788382014-06-25 18:02:33DarkChaplain said:

    I'm honestly not a fan of medleys when it comes to such projects. Those take a lot more effort in organizing, singing and editing.
    I'd say a 5 minute track is the ideal length for a chorus project of CL scale.

    As for the quality, I think the organizers/editors carry the responsibility for assuring it. Let participate who wants and at least takes it somewhat seriously, if they can or cannot sing "well" should not matter. Heck, I'd rather hear people having fun and being edited in a suitable way than all those so-called "experts" clenching their butts over hitting the right tunes.

  19. #788412014-06-25 18:26:40olivaisfire1997 said:

    A few things have to be adressed here:

    1:Skype groups!

    There will not be a Skype group for this chorus, in my opinion, any doubts, tips, ideas, recordings, or videos, should stay within this thread, or personal messages. I'm mainly refusing the idea of Skype, because my previous chorus had a Skype group that was never used, at all, in fact, a lot of people didn't even know about it, so no Skype.

    2:Making this chorus decent.

    To put the final nail in this argument, I'll say that, yes, I would like that the chorus would sound good. Is it my main focus? No, in the end, the quality of the singers doesn't matter to me, and I might only ask that any sound editor that vollunteers will be able to do a decent job, that's it, I honestly don't want people to not join in on this just because they think they can't sing, or feel like we would just flat out reject them. I know this might put a lot of pressure for the future audio editor, and if it does, I apologize in advance.

    3:Lenght of the chorus.

    As @Kirn pointed out, the original lenght I had in mind is very simillar, to the previous medley, managed by @n1xx . Honestly, I wasn't really paying much attention to the time, I was trying to find a way to get a decent number of songs, that could give some variety, but, as I said, wasn't really paying attention to the little details, so there might be a way to shorten it.

    4:Answering the suggestions already given

    Just to answer the suggestions involving the theme and foundation of the chorus. First of all, @Cenica , I love the idea, it sounds kickass when you imagine it, but I'm affraid that maybe the whole thing could end up being a mess, with so manny different songs, themes and melodies being thrown in, because, your regular villain theme is, dark, with a slow start, edgy, and has an explosive ending. The regular hero song, is diferent, it's triumphant, happy, always has a faster pace, when I imagine a medley with these two themes going back and forth, I don't see it working that well, but if we can find a way, I will definetly use that idea, hey, even if it doesn't work, maybe there can be a hero medley in the future, who knows?

    As for DC's suggestion of making the chorus about one song, I realize that a medley takes more effort, I participated in one, and it tired me. But, this idea of a villain medley is something that I really like, and I really want to go forth with it, maybe I'm being selfish here, by having other people work harder because of my decisions, but it's just something that I genuinly want to do, and I hope other people feel the same way.

  20. #788422014-06-25 18:26:49 *Taro_Tanako said:

    I like the idea of syncopated rhyme or something for those who can't carry a note too well. Like Rex Harrison in My Fair Lady. It lets poor singers do some good stuff. I'm sure there's a number of villainous scores that do this. I don't remember Jeremy Irons really singing..

  21. #788452014-06-25 18:33:16olivaisfire1997 said:

    That's true, Jeremy Irons while performing Be Prepared, wasn't technically singing, he's talking, with a bit of melody, in fact, there were some parts he couldn't sing, so another voice actor had to offer his voice on those parts. Even knowing this, I find this song one of my favorites, full of villany, and Nazi imagery(it's true watch the video for the song, it's a Third Reich of hyenas). So we could explore wih things like that, if making people sound better appears to be necessary.

  22. #788432014-06-25 18:29:41 *Momimochi said:

    As for DC's suggestion of making the chorus about one song, I realize that a medley takes more effort, I participated in one, and it tired me. But, this idea of a villain medley is something that I really like, and I really want to go forth with it, maybe I'm being selfish here, by having other people work harder because of my decisions, but it's just something that I genuinly want to do, and I hope other people feel the same way.

    Or make your own medley. I'm just saying. That's pretty much what we did in the past.

    Also because the bitch behind finding an actual karaoke and mixing it to match actual sample provided do you even.

  23. #789132014-06-26 06:16:58 *Kirn said:

    @olivaisfire1997 well, your last posts feels pretty fine for intentions, so just a few things to note about the thread. I'd recommend changing the first post.

    1. If you don't have video/sound editor, I'd recommend adding such note to the name of the thread, so people could see it without even opening this thing. It's important, because people here have literally zero attention span, and you have to grab them any way you can.

    2. First post here is not too good, so you may want to think about reworking it. It's customary that the first post is a collection of a relative information and current status. So you may want to take time to re-write the first post with the info you decided on so far in your last post. And, again, to add the info of who you are looking for atm - editors or singers or both.

    Well, as I said, both of this is pretty much to more easily provide information to those who can be interested, this can be really important.

    There are also some things you can do to that end - ask CL staff to sticky this thread and, if you are serious about giving it your all, you may ask DC here, for example, to make site announcement about the new chorus starting where you can also ask him to state if you need any kind of editor.

    And for chorus itself... well, I guess while you don't have your own chorus team yet, you may want to just think about what exact songs to use.
    There's a list of villain songs for your convenience. (Thought there's a lot of songs from completely obscure movies)