It's been three years since I've been on here. But there's no better place than this site to ask a little question or two~ Okay, here's my question to you, " Would you still classify 'anime and manga' as 'anime and manga' even if it's not made in Japan?" For example, there's been a ridiculous debate that Avatar the last airbender isn't anime.Even though it shares much in common with typical anime, but because it's made for western audience, and isn't physically produced in Japan, it isn't considered anime. But, look at subbed and dubbed anime for a second. A lot of people watch dub, its anime through and through, but it's in English. But that's okay, we still watch it, we still consider it anime. But perhaps that is because we know it's originally made in Japan. So in the case, that there is a show you come across that's animated in anime style, based in japan even, has all the anime clique's, japanese names, etc. However, it's voiced in English. ("That's okay maybe its a dub"). But then you find out its actually made from an unknown studio in America for example. Would you still consider that anime? Why and why not?
I imagine you talking this one passage like one of those girls who talks really fast.
Anyways, all of these just includes everything else, like do you consider something that is made other than Japan to be anime? How do you know when you read manga and not comics, how do you know when it's anime or cartoon. What is the difference, really?
Even on Asian part themselves, they have their own names like a manhwa instead of manga (which you can obviously tell a difference), would you still call an animation from a Korea as anime?
Even though pretty much most of people aware that anime is a short form of animation.
The word 'anime' is based on the original japanese pronunciation of the american word 'animation.' ~ Urban Dictionary
In my own perspective of view, I would call some american animation production as anime, if you insist so.
Did you know that RWBY topped Free! on anime ranking at some point? And then proceed to climb higher on the ranking
From my understanding anime is short for Animation specifically Japanese Animation. So if it isn't made in Japan (or with a Japanese team) it would be considered Animation or just Cartoon.
If it's not made in Japan (dubbed or not) I usually just consider it a Cartoon.
If you see anime as an art style, then you can argue that anyone in the whole world is capible of producing it. As an art form anime did originate in Japan, but as an art form anyone is capible of createing something that fits into the characteristics that anime is defined by.
@Lieutenant I don't mean to sound like I'm talking fast haha. Technically, comics and manga, are almost virtually the same, probably their cliques and origins of creation is what sets them apart essentially. But when we think of manga and comics, we still think they're different, almost an entirely different genre. I know anime comes from animation, and anime was actually inspired by american cartoons, but these days its become a class of animation on its own, like claymation for example.
And i agree that anime is an art style and can be replecated by following the characteristics, (@CloudVariasKira ) but i feel thats where the problem lies. Why do some people still not consider, replications as real anime?
Maybe it's just because people are too picky, I don't know :<
For example, there's been a ridiculous debate that Avatar the last airbender isn't anime.Even though it shares much in common with typical anime, but because it's made for western audience, and isn't physically produced in Japan, it isn't considered anime.
This concern over lables based on location, is pure orientalism.
If the main consern for this debate is location, location, location. Then what people are failing to realize is that no matter what audience the anime. or for that matter cartoon, reaches first, eastern or western.
It is meant to be for everyone to enjoy, all audiences, national and international audiences.
Plenty of proof to support that.
I am one of the ones who sees animation and style, as well as character personalities, as what makes my definition of an 'anime'. Things like Naruto and One Piece really don't pass the test for me but they just don't sit right with me period. Of course I am more an old school fan (Rurouni Kenshin, Gundam to name a couple) so there is that.
I'm a bit torn. On one hand, location is where the term came from, and thats where it originated. And while that pretty much decides it, I can't help but feel that if a show is very similar if not exactly styled like an anime or mange...it may as well be called that.
Technically, comics and manga, are almost virtually the same, probably their cliques and origins of creation is what sets them apart essentially.
Refer to template pages for manga vs pages for comics, story flow, thematic angles of shots, the direction they're bloody read in. Manga can be described as a specific form of comic, but comics can not be described as manga.
I'm sorry, I couldn't let that one slide. I've been filling in for my comic author friend.
Onto the real topic, Anime is a collective group that contains and can be synonymous with cartoons, depending on the object in reference, and language used.
- The story and framing of shots are what artistically describe anime in art form.
- Asian originated drawn motion pictures are what weebo slang defines as anime.
- By literal definition: a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
- By translated definition: The technique of photographing successive drawings or positions of puppets or models to create an illusion of movement when the movie is shown as a sequence.
Spongebob is anime. RWBY is anime. Digimon is anime. Bleach is anime.
It really depends on you, and who you're talking to. In checklist form (checklists are fun!):
- not real people in front of a camera
- you're speaking english
- you don't have an art degree, or the ability to analyze shots and scenes for cultural styles and differences.
- you're not a dirty weebo
Call it anime or a cartoon. Nobody should care, it's about enjoying a thingy. Not so much what the exact word for the thingy is.
My personal view is very simple..
Animated artoons are, well, cartoons. Animated features of some description or whatever. Anime is a cartoon originally in Japanese and for Japanese consumption as the intended main market. It is included in this broader category of cartoons but is fundamentally defined by it's original target audience.
Same goes for manga, but like, for printed/still form drawing, blah blah.
I don't really understand the debate though, because it's stupid to think that it makes any difference what you call it, other than people applying their own prejudices or preconceptions.
Whilst it is true that some countries and cultures accept different things from their animation and comics (in general terms in the USA/UK animation is primarily the preserve of kids stuff) I don't think it matters what you call it other than to be shorthand for an easy description, e.g. I'd much rather say "I like watching anime" rather than "I like watching Japanese animation - which is more broadly, more thematically developed in general and aimed at a wider range of audiences". Most people I'd say that to would realise "anime" is different to say "Disney" without explanation.
@xiaden trust me i completety understand the difference between manga and comics. The two are different in many ways, but it's not like they so different as a tree compared to a fish. Why I posted this is because I wanted to know people's own opinion on the matter, what they personally think. If anime, in their terms, can still be called anime even if it fits, for example, on 7 out of 10 of the requirements for anime~
Sorry if I caused any offense!! >o<
No offense taken xD i might have been logic and deductive reasoning too hard.
@Taro_Tanako It wasn't supposed to be a debate, I just wanted to know people's personal views on the matter haha. But I agree, you're right, it really all depends on people's own perceptions and viewpoints.
Sorry @cloluna, I got way carried away...
@Taro_Tanako no don't be! We all get a little passionate sometimes lol~
well my personal view is that if somethings is considered anime/manga it usually follows a certain criteria. for instance it has to for lack of a better word be similar to that of something made from Japan. But in my opinion Manga is just another term for comic, and Anime is just another term for cartoon, though most otaku would argue that its extremely different from each other, but i just think of it as the same for the most part.
Personally, I categorise 'anime' and 'cartoons' by feel.
I'm not sure if this feel comes about from criteria such as art style, plot, or anything; it's just an instinct. For example, when watching Avatar: the Last Airbender, I instinctually think: this is a cartoon. It's the same when I'm reading manga, manhwa or manhua. All three come off very differently to me. Of course, regardless of its category, I would still enjoy it.
I'd only use the word anime with Japanese cartoons. It's not only the art style, they also have some cultural differences compared to cartoons produced in other countries.
Avatar I would call a cartoon with anime elements (note that I like the cartoon and not being elitist). They pretty much just drew the characters like they would do it in anime but the rest is done in the American style more or less.