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  1. Do you need evidence to believe in God or any other greater power? *Please read description first*


    #990322016-02-11 09:58:08 *evii-chii said:

    Okay first of all I'd like to note that

    This thread is not the same as "Do you believe in God?" one.

    Let me explain:

    So 3 years ago in philosophy class I got a topic for an essay "Do you need evidence to have faith; believe in God?". I heard some amazing thoughts on it from my classmates and my teacher so today I thought I'd ask you guys. I'm very interested in how different people here on CL think.

    I hope all of you understand the question. But just in case I will clarify: Do not state whether you believe in a God or not. Say if you'll need evidence to believe in one and why. What is your definition of faith?

    Please no rude, offensive or one-word long answers. No joke posts either; keep those in the sub-reply section of a post. Let's keep it civil and philosophical.

  2. #990332016-02-11 10:04:31Kirn said:

    By definition faith is something you have without evidence. If there's evidence, you don't need faith.

    Case closed.

  3. #990352016-02-11 10:05:54Enami said:

    Faith is simply believing that something is true, and acting on that belief, it doesn't necessarily need evidence in my opinion, regardless if having faith in something is simply naive or not it still doesn't need to be based on evidence, since people exercises it daily, having faith in trivial and common things such as in people or in sucess etc.

    I think that an atheist needs faith that there is no god as much as a believer needs faith that there is, since each side has no complete evidence that can completely prove his beliefs or else there wouldn't be any believers or disbelievers.

    So my answer is no, I do not think that you need evidence to have faith; believe in God.

  4. #990382016-02-11 10:10:34Lieutenant said:

    Somehow the same concept can be applied to humans, you can have faith to love and believe in one, disregarding all evidence even, why not God? )

  5. #990402016-02-11 10:12:51Lieutenant said:

    Of course I can stalk @God and steal his underwear )))

    That aside you people also have faith on fictional characters, people have faith on a lot of things, even if its useless.

  6. #990422016-02-11 10:24:35effect said:

    my definition in faith is when i entrust something to someone, and i belive he won't dissappoint me, it's similar to hope, but when it's with hope instead of using trust, i'm expecting someth from them. as your question 'you need evidence to have faith?' , well in all the cases faith is just blindly trust ' i have faith in you that you wont ruin the topic" , while having evidence yo won't need faith, but as we are humans we will discard anything thats givin us evidence of some sort, and go back to faith esp. when is about religion. so to answer a question you dont need evidence to have faith that there is a god, but you need evidence that there exist a god, and faith is not goin to prove anything.

  7. #990452016-02-11 10:56:01effect said:

    well you might think like that, but you dont have faith in god, you have faith in what is said about god e.g you trust the bible, but every reasonable man would know that's not evidence that the god exists, one thing is to have evidence god exists and the other is to trust the bible, therefor having faith in god. there is a sayin " Belive and don't search "

  8. #990672016-02-11 14:13:09 *armedzerox said:

    Hi there. Want to tell you what i think too..

    For me the answer depends on 2 sides.

    1.

    one who were born in a faithful family. (honestly i don't know if this the right word to use, but wtv, you know what i mean. if it turned out i used the wrong verb, just tell me) this person didn't need an evidence. What they will face is challenge. whether they can or cannot maintain their faith.

    2.

    for those who were born in non believers family (and again the verbs..), they need something to trigger that faith. that could be evidence, or something unusual (which in one way, an evidence as well).

    So yeah, both are exceptionable in my opinion....

    I believe the evidence will come for those who is seeking for it

    Thanks for taking your concern in my opinion.

  9. #990722016-02-11 15:21:50 *effect said:

    doesn't matter where you are born or not, what matters is the process that every child is being brainwashed, basically others insert while you are in the learning phase different infos in your head. What is different is that every individual assimilates them differently.

    the same thing goes how you assimilate these evidences you speak of : i dont have toilet papper, so i pray that someone will bring me paper, and few minutes later someone throws some papper , so by this evidence it means god exists? i doubt... we are talkin about that type of evidence that proves god exists, evidence of him not existing are plenty, and more to come. My idea of religion is that it was created by some people pretty smart, and it was thrown at the majority of people like a good story and people blindly belived what it was told. It's the same concept of people beliving in alot of deities , and all of them got busted by science , not necesarly intentional... but the more humans know the less religion won't make sense. pretty sure scientists figured out how to create life already...

  10. #991322016-02-13 00:17:10 *armedzerox said:

    @effect thanks for replying.

    I would agree with what You've said at the beginning. the environment around us, the people around us, is what shapes us. Call it brainwash if you like.

    Plus, I Wouldn't say something like that is an evidence.

    The evidences which i have in mind are not that simple and abstract.

    A solid evidence, which is proven by science hundreds of years after. Something simple. Like how living things are made from water, how many stages that baby developes inside the womb, etc. Even something complicated and which isn't yet to been proved, like There's 11 planet in our system and we just cought up with 8. And yeah recently they discover the ninth planet, not pluto ofcourse, and it waaay bigger and this is still a mathematical theory. They were looking for it now.

    Really interesting how these are written over 1400 years ago. It's like there is something that understand the universe better then we do.

    These are the reason i love science. Oh btw we did diverge from the topic but It's nice to tell our opinion in this matter too.

  11. #990792016-02-11 17:10:26Kemiu said:

    Faith doesn't need evidence it can tie with hope... You believe and hope something is real. Evidence only supports it further if there is any. That is what I think anyway.

  12. #990832016-02-11 18:00:59Noone said:

    I feel evidence is needed for initial faith and belief of god. As said previously we are all born of a blank slate without any information of the world. Whatever information is fed to us, whether true or not, solidifies into what we believe to be true. Without evidence of any sort how would we come to even have the idea? The evidence provided doesn't necessarily have be actually from god, but from some basic idea that he exists.

    If, for example, the parents of a child believe in god, the child would have to take that as evidence of his existence.

    So yeah, basically some form of evidence is needed to begin and hold faith, whether its from god himself or not. My definition of evidence might be slightly skewed

  13. #990882016-02-11 19:11:41Kinnear said:

    You don't need evidence, only to be subjected to information and to believe that information, even if not the majority of it. Someone could not believe anything stated in a religious text, but still believe that the deity it's written for exists, as the books themselves were written wholly by man.

  14. #990932016-02-11 23:16:19--Jack-- said:

    To directly answer "Do you need evidence to have faith; believe in God?" I'd say no.

    People willfully believe in things all the time that have literally zero evidence and they have faith in them (for example, people who think the world is flat. Not only is there no legit evidence to support it, there IS evidence that opposes this "view".)

    Now I'm not saying religion is ridiculous like believing that the earth is flat (although the more Rude people who are secular may say so). I am saying that some people may be heavily influenced/introduced to a religion due to family beliefs, and family traditions, as well as surrounding cultural support for these things. This can instill the idea that what this religion represents or teaches is "normal" and can lead to people having faith and/or belief without seeking out some sort of "proof" or "evidence".


    Also many people who go looking for "proof" to have faith typically:

    • Want to reaffirm their own beliefs if they are struggling with keeping their faith.

    or

    • Are looking for a sign to start believing in something. Such as "miracles".
  15. #991002016-02-12 01:04:26EvoRulz said:

    hm yeah, even though a person cant prove that they have seen evidence, people sometimes seek some kind of 'sign', who knows if what they find is an actual sign or is something regular they just overthink and make a sign because it suits them, either way you also can't disprove that their 'sign' they saw was just something they imagined to be relevant, for all you know it could legitimately be caused by what they thought.

  16. #991592016-02-13 17:09:26Rinneko said:

    No, I don't think that you need evidence to believe in God or any greater power.

    As mentioned above, faith is complete trust in someone or something, regardless of physical proof for or against it. In other words, if there was no evidence, you would maintain the belief. If there was evidence, that'd be great but it would still not influence your belief. Your faith is not based on cold, hard evidence but instead based on spiritual conviction.

    The definition of evidence is also called into play. Evidence are facts that indicate whether a belief is true. Are your parents' religious beliefs considered evidence of God's existence? I would say no. A child's assumption is that everything your parents do and say is true and correct. However, in reality, just because your parents believe in someone or something doesn't make it true. So a child may mistakenly take their parents' beliefs as evidence and cultivate their own similar beliefs. By the time they're an adult, they may have full-fledged faith.