what I think of Suicide: POINTLESS.

They're too blind to realize that there are some people who had it much worse than them yet they are still alive and trying to get back whereas this person had it much better than person mentioned earlier yet wants to take his/her own life for something mundane.

There are other ways of hurting yourself, @esquintessent as killing yourself is extreme in its own sense and downright stupid.

Wow, I'm being harsh today and I don't know why. :D

Suicide is usually a cry for help rather than a real attempt to end one's life. Though by studies, that is more true for women than for men. Men commit more successful suicides, while women commit more suicides in total, but die less.

In that context, I think shutting up about it is the opposite of what should be done. Cries for help should be answered in a humane society.

Not implying that our contemporary society is humane -- but that is the ideal we are thriving for, aren't we?

@DarkChaplain Oh, no. I'm not planning to kill myself- ever. Someone I knew committed suicide. It's also all over the news. I just a concept I didn't understand. I simply meant to ask what others thought about it.

I just realized that I named this thread the wrong way.

It's a pretty stupid move, but then again call me an idiot 'cuz I've tried it a few times. Then again I am a "teen who doesn't know what real hardships are", so I suppose it's only to be expected.

Previously experiencing this push towards death myself, I speak from my own mind when I say that the reason I did it is because I wanted to be free. Call me crazy--I practically am--but I've always felt trapped in this world of ours. I've always thought that through death I could finally be free. So death looks awful appetizing to me when I don't really like my position in the world at the moment.

I mean, the world is practically hell, right? People kill one another ,steal, etc. Why would anyone want to live in such a horrible place?

Personally, I think there are so many different situations and so many different variables at play with each individual... that's it's impossible to make a recommendation that would apply equally.

I try give people the benefit of the doubt who ask for help on forums and what not. You never know if someone has a close friend they feel they can rely on to steer them in the right direction. If they are resorting to conversing with people on a random Internet forum... they might be so psychologically compromised, that they aren't thinking clearly enough to talk to someone closer to them. Sure there are the attention whores... but I'd rather try to help someone and find out they're just looking for attention... than turn my back on them and later regret not saying something.

Glad to know I'm not completely out of the park with my thinking. And gee, I say that last bit all the time. "Curiosity killed the cat but what if the cat was curious about death in the first place?" I mean. Everyone actually calls me Cat now because I say that so often. Suicide comes up a lot these days.

I don't condone suicide nor do I completely disagree with its existence. Honestly, everyone has a different sensitivity level and while some people commit/attempt suicide over something that I find ridiculous, that event might have been the worst thing to happen to them or a situation that just topped off how they'd been feeling.

It's not just adolescents that are at high risk either; elderly people also battle this issue. If you look at Erikson's stages of life, the maturity stage (65+) entails looking back on your life and either feeling successful and fulfilled or feeling that your life was empty or a complete failure.

In any case, the fact that someone else in the world has a more horrible life than you is true. Many people will be worse off than you are, no matter who you are. However, those lives are not our reality and everyone is wired to think differently about certain situations.

Suicide may be the best option for someone at that given time, even if they lived through it and regret it later/would have regretted it later had they lived.

I think about it all the time, although I am too afraid to ever actually do it. The way I see it is.. Some people just cant handle things. No matter if other people have been through worse. Some peoples brains and chemical make up just lead them to going over the edge. What some call insanity. They aren't thinking as "logically" as the social accepted term of logic is seen as. Some do, do it for attention or a sign of help but also, some do just do it because their body/mind literally tell them that thats what needs to be done. Their thought process finds that to be what is accepted to them. If you don't understand this, well... I'm sorry because it's very hard to talk about psychology for me.. Although I just tried the best I could. No one should look down upon, call these sucidial people weak, or say anything bad about these people because they have a problem.

i think it's basically when people think " I don't give a fuck anymore" and just kill themselves. also peer pressure can i guess make the person think "well everyone else wants me to die. hell with it." i guess no one can really put into words what goes through the head in a suicidal state of mind. i thought about doing it once (or twice) and after i got over it i was like what was i thinking? when you think about it you mind just is a blur. you don't think about what happens after or pain or anything. you just think do and it's over. in short it's like your head is messing with you and alot of people let it get the best of them. but sometimes they really do have reasons to do suicide instead of just not being logical.

There is no reason for suicide.. It is obviously someone not thinking clearly.. They have their priorities messed up or aren't being "logical". In their minds, they have justified it, but in the "social order" it is seen as being illogical. When I think about killing myself it is just because I don't find anything important and find it pointless going through stupid shit with nothing good in return. Living for pain? Whats the point?
Now with that said.. It is considered "thinking illogically" to what is "socially acceptable." There is no way possible you can disagree with this.

Curiosity about death is, as far as I can assume anyway, a much lesser reason for actually committing suicide.

As for my own personal opinion on suicide... well this may get a bit personal, I'm not sure yet. Just gonna type and see what ends up getting written. Back in jr. high I contemplated suicide. The reason was I just wanted it all to end, I didn't want to have to deal with the world anymore. I was bullied directly by 3 boys, and the rest of the class wasn't exactly kind about it either. After being stuck with these same 30-ish people for 9 years of my life for six hours a day, five days a week, for most of the year I was just tired of it. I was disliked, and even if I tried to change the image ingrained in their minds isn't going to alter. The "it could be worse" didn't reach me, I didn't care if it could get worse, at the time I couldn't deal with it at that level, why would I even want to contemplate it gettign worse? At that time the only thing pulling me through was one thought. I put myself lower than others, I don't want to be a bother (hence why I never told anyoen about the bullying). My death, though it would be easy on me, would be harsh on my family. We may fight and argue but they still care. I couldn't take that way out, I'd forever be the self centered girl who cared more for her own misery than the misery of others.

Okay, shit just got way to damn personal here, so I cut out the next two parts. I'll review them though

In conclusion? Suicide only seemed appealing to me when feeling completely trapped, nothing was changing and it wouldn't for a long time. It never crossed my mind during my abusive relationship, The closest I got to any thoughts about suicide since jr. high was when my mind wouldn't stop replaying events that made me nauseous. I was upset and sick, but never enough to want to off myself.

Finally, in the case of someone very close to you falling into insanity: the times of extreme depression and feeling of uselessness, more than any bulling could bring forth, would feel useless to even off yourself.

TL;DR: If it's the world against you it's more appealing to die and be free of it,

For the weak willed.

@DarkChaplain - That's strange to me honestly. When I help others, I have no expectations for them to help me in the future. I simply enjoy helping people and seeing them living happily. That, in and of itself, is enough for me.

Of course you don't want to overstress yourself. You'll be far less effective if you do. Doing this requires the 'helper' to be well grounded and in good mental health. If I have difficulty helping someone... I'll ask others for help.

Finally, of course you can't always be the hand holder. You have to cater the approach to the individual and their circumstances. But I think you understand that.

At the same time, I understand not wanting to deal with the 'childish issues' but I think there are valid approaches in that situation as well. What may seem childish to you, may seem very important to the person asking for help. Like I said earlier

"Personally, I think there are so many different situations and so many different variables at play with each individual... that's it's impossible to make a recommendation that would apply equally."

<h1>SUICIDE AND CUTTING IS A STUPID CHOICE TO MAKE.</h1>

Honestly, you only get to live once,in my opinion, and if there is the chance of being reborn, you will not remember this life so, why throw it away? Suicide is never an answer to retreat to. I know some people who have it rough and have thought of it ,but they were able to tell that it's not a good choice to make and that its a DUMB one.

Cutting makes no sense at all. I know it's to drown emotional pain with physical pain, but guess what? IT IS STILL PAIN. If you want to get out of your situation, there is a way. Child Abuse? Tell a friend,teacher,or better yet a Social Worker. Trouble in life? Take time to relax and say,"Fuck this extra work. Why am I doing this?" Life won't be easy ,but if you THINK then ACT CORRECTLY it gets easier.

EDIT: If this is our of order, I apologize. I just woke up recently.

Everybody has covered the topic of teen whining/suicide/cutting for me, so how about something else. I had an idea recently that justified suicide. If you go to a casino and continue to spend your money until you're out, you'd be a bad gambler. If you stop after you've done well, you have good control over yourself. The same goes for game shows, lottery, anything that has a chance of profitable yield.

So why is it that you shouldn't commit suicide while you're happy with your life? Hell, why not commit suicide when you start to see it turning downward? Yeah, things can get better. However, that's the same logic gambling addicts use to justify continuing. Are we as humans addicted to gambling our way through life, making those jump ship the reasonable ones?

Just an interesting thought I had.

@VivoDePyre - I like it.

The difference being that gambling addicts are addicted to winning. They play the odds in order to feel that rush of endorphins. Its a limited and pathetic existence. However, being able to stop means you get to enjoy other facets of life.

People who 'gamble' through life, as you put it, however... aren't just hoping that they win, they want to lose as well. They want the good with the bad. They want the experience of life. It's not an addiction but rather a desire to experience what this world has to offer. And yes, favorable experiences are not guaranteed... but that's what makes it interesting.

In other words... by stopping gambling... you get to experience the rest of the world. By stopping life, you lose the ability to experience anything.

@Fieyr Boy, you hopped right onto that one. I was really hoping that people could amble around a little before somebody (such as yourself) displayed the inherent problem with the comparison. You hit it right on head. If you gamble at a casino, it's win or lose. If you lose money, you get nothing out of it except a little anger and you might learn to stop doing that.

However, the beauty of life is that there isn't a win or lose. Stuff happens that we like, stuff that we hate. However, you can spin just about anything positively. The experience is the important part, and experiences are inherently good. Simply by living, good things happen.

@Fieyr Boy, you hopped right onto that one. I was really hoping that people could amble around a little before somebody (such as yourself) displayed the inherent problem with the comparison. You hit it right on head. If you gamble at a casino, it's win or lose. If you lose money, you get nothing out of it except a little anger and you might learn to stop doing that.

However, the beauty of life is that there isn't a win or lose. Stuff happens that we like, stuff that we hate. However, you can spin just about anything positively. The experience is the important part, and experiences are inherently good. Simply by living, good things happen.

@VivoDePyre - Heh heh, sorry ^_^

"Depression is a choice".