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Hikarigaiden joined on May 19th, 2012, since that has made 12 posts that are still accessible today, 0 of which are threads. Helping shape the community, Hikarigaiden has given 17 upvotes, and was last online on Jan 2nd, 2013.
@AlphaHikari_1A14 It's good to hear you don't think it works that way. Christian heaven is probably (wisely) pretty undefined. The idea of it I have is that they want to get there, but you can't be in a hurry or cheat. I think her views were along the lines of mine, but with maybe an even stronger will too expose bad or weird ideas for what they are.
@lamperogee I would not agree that all metaphysical claims one could make (the teleporting turtle of Sevilla, the levitating elephant circling around himalaya or the invisible kangaroo at... eh nobody knows really, just to make up a few) narrow down to those two versions of the christian gods!
Things are not scientific or not, you approach things scientifically or not. I mean maybe it is true that some guy somewhere in Uganda can talk to the dead ancestors of everyone in his village, something that would probably be considered pretty spiritual. We could investigate this, try to replicate his technique etc. We could have a scientific approach. But most of the time it seems like the mystery is part of the point in some way, as if actually understanding a phenomenon or part of it would ruin it. (and sometimes, of course, people don't want others to take a scientific approach to their claims because it would be too obvious they weren't true)
@AlphaHikari_1A14 And from my point of view, someone who postulated that there is a heaven, and that all aborted children go there should be the comedian.
Given this information, and that heaven is a place to strive towards (more important than humans prosperity on earth), it's a (as she put it) perfectly factual response.
@AlphaHikari_1A14 Ok, yes I'm not trying to put words like heaven in your mouth, but the point of the "aborted children go to heaven" example was that right after, someone asked why we shouldn't just abort all children.
I'm not saying someone's worldview is wrong, I'm just encouraging people to think through their beliefs and what they lead to (and preferably how they came to have them, but that seems too much to ask in a lot of cases).
@AlphaHikari_1A14 This kind of "feel-good religion" -does- have real implications though. The questions of wether there is an afterlife, if everything happens for a reason etc.
Some people DO care how life got here (or why it rains, or why we feel good by doing certain things and bad by doing other), and I think they are pretty offended (religion-style) that some people claim to just know things they haven't found out yet.
I saw a show on tv where a christian said he believed every aborted child as in (presumably christian) heaven. A cuddly world-view at first, but then what's the obvious way to proceed when handling unborn children?
@lamperogee "Just take note that there are two kinds of god the people acknowledge. The almighty God who created everything and the Inspirational god, the holy spirit that guides us in Christian religion terms. Nice try on mixing god with science :))."
Just take note you can make any number of metaphysical claims. Nice work taking this god thing you speak of out of investigation and conversation.
I would consider actually -studying- "spiritual stuff" pretty much scientific btw.
I'm really too pragmatic for this. To me the important thing is what your beliefs make you do. Will you or will you not, when standing outside a burning house where you know your friend is inside, start praying, or will you act? (btw imagine how ridiculous this would be if you weren't familiar with the concept of praying) Also some points:
Bringing up evolution for debate is really like arguing about what causes gravity. Two equally observable phenomenons in the universe (apples seem to fall down towards earth, and animals seem to evolve and change their appearance), and for some reason one is questioned much more than the other. (I guess I can guess the reason)
I could claim dragons existed. I could even write a book about it, and I could write in the book that what was written in the book was true. (I could also pretend I did this 2000 years ago)
"I follow some of the advice/wisdom of religious texts, but I don't actively practice a religion." I think this is the biggest debate going on between religion and non-believers right now, what came first, goodness or religion?
It's really about questions, and what you accept as an answer. Why does it rain? Why is my iphone so slow? Why did the building blocks necessary for life just happen to be on earth? I don't think we would have gotten past question one if we'd clung to answering BigThing.
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