"Believe me, if I started murdering people, there'd be none of you left" - Charles Manson
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You should make one that says 'All hail Kirn' on the front and 'He will find and kill you' on the back.
Seriously, though, we may have problem with supply and demand here. Because who would want a t-shirt like that? Only CL members and crazy people. And not any CL member or crazy person would buy it.
Things like that should be used for promotion... like, make a t-shirt and go visit some comics or anime or games convention or something. And try to attract more people into our place or horrors and misery.
Actually, now that I think about it, I imagine a small booth somewhere near the building where convention is going... where we would have someone from CL selling all the stuff - t-shirts, keychains and the prime item - freshly printed CL books volume 1 and 2. That would attract more crazy people and maybe even one or two normal ones. Would require moneyz though for making all the stuff and setting up a place.
Oh. I totally forgot to post this picture on this thread:
Damn, this Miracle of Sound guy is damn good! This one I will probably learn and sing!
So I'm trying to be more active.
You fail horribly.
I like anime, cosplay, doctor who, and girls.
I can't help but feel that one of those doesn't really belong on the list. You wanna be more active? Start doing sports or get a part-time job.
Found this concert on youtube. Nice nostalgic feelings, and all that. Seems appropriate to put it in this thread.
Yay, now the list doesn't scare me so ))
Watch episode 6 again, please. It is a direct lift from the Silence of the Lambs story
Well, yes and no at the same time. I noticed those things too, but it's even more weird than that. See, the story here is that this Miriam Lass girl is the one investigating Chesapeake Ripper and getting attacked by Lecter when coming to him. And while they made that episode with a serious nodding to the Silence of the Lambs, originally it's Graham who visits Lecter, catches the glimpse of the evidence and gets attacked by good bare-footed doctor. The difference is, obviously, that Graham, while suffering some mutilations, managed to catch the good doctor.
So they used the 1-episode character to act on something that was supposed to be performed my the main character, while posing that 1-ep dead character as a main character that would come after the current main character... which is all sorts of Möbius strip.
That's nice. Not really weird, but it's interesting news.
@ponta in was the episode when the funny confused guy in mental institution killed a nurse, making it look like a work of another killer - who turned out to be a Lecter. When Hannibal heard of it, you can see the visible disdain. As if the Chesapeake Ripper (and, naturally, it wasn't him who picked that name even) identity, used only to mask the true purpose of the crimes, is more important than the end-result.
@Solzhenitsnye well, thank you, Captain Obvious. You know, I just watched the fucking thing. And yes, I kinda noticed that characters and their back-stories are not what they are supposed to be in the books. I believe I myself stated all that already. So, I will only address the words you capsed, because you obviously wanted to point me at that, probably thinking I am some kind of a retard to miss such a simple thing.
Well... no, I am not that retarded. And you are the one using the words wrong. Well, not even you, but the people who made this thing. Because let's take a look again - there are characters by well-known names, there are events, mentioned in books. In my opinion, this is clearly basing the series on (or off, if you will) books (not on 'original Silence of the Lambs', because the series aren't even touching those events yet, here we are in pre-Red Dragon phase, you know). Want to know what would be inspired by those books? A series about a FBI and a maniac, masquerading as a doctor, who eats people. With random names. That's it. And the creators of the show would say 'we were inspired by Hannibal Lecter character', and there you go - the ones who would want to see the Hannibal in that character, they would do that, and people like me would be able to watch all the cute violence without thinking about how the series fucks with the characters.
They didn't do it. They went for clear basing their work on the greatness that is Hannibal trilogy, just to jump the hype.
Oh, and one more thing. Do you even know why their Graham is like that? Why he looks and acts so? Marketing. Marketing research that clearly tells that you need such a character to drag in young female audience. Simple as that. Current generation of young females respond well to those types of guys, apparently.
And one last thing. Not really related to my general anger here, but the one that just struck me. In one episode the criminal investigators (supposedly, smart people who know a lot and would not talk about things they do not know) talk about China and organ transplants. And I believe the argument one of them used was that China doesn't have enough organs because of religious beliefs. And my question at that moment was - why the screen-play writers didn't even bother to google this?
Anyways, once again, it all boils down to a few simple key phrases: violence scenes and general atmosphere - good, the treatment of famous characters - horrible.
Well, alright. I just finished watching this thing, and I have to say a few things.
First of all, I did enjoy the series. Well, I enjoyed the murders, as you can imagine. This thing shows some nice stuff, that makes my hungry just remembering about it. Angels were nice. Mushrooms were a very good idea. Hell, skin peeling of a live sick human being? Good stuff, all of it.
So, saying all that, I rather liked the goddamn thing. However, it uses the name of doctor Hannibal Lecter, whom I personally admire a lot. So I won't be myself if I won't point out a few things here.
First and the most obvious thing. Horrible casting, combined with a horrible presentation of characters.
Will Graham here looks like a nerd. And let me tell you, he was proper FBI, and before that he was proper homicide detective. And, while he was disturbed by things, and he was empathic, he was never disturbed so much and he was not so empathic too.
Jack Crawford just feels weird. I mean, as much as it's amusing to watch Lawrence Fishburne, it just doesn't feel right for me. Hey, call me a racist, but personally I prefer my Jack Crawford white. And a bit less well-fed, now that I think about it.
Freddie Lounds. A woman? Seriously? Do I even have to say anything here? And the funniest thing is that her character feels the most proper being just a dumb low-class journalist chasing drama.
Hannibal, yes, I saved him for last. Okay, I know I am way to stuck in my ways, and I only can see only one image for Lecter, but... but this guy looks like some aging high-class gay. But nevermind that, the character is all wrong. I mean, Lecter regularly visiting a therapist? Really? And getting visibly angry when finding out someone is copying him? No. Just no.
So, that's one. There's also two, which is all that delusions bullshit. Graham slowly slipping and getting crazier. As I said, that goes against all canon, for one thing. But fuck canon, this is just plain not interesting. Everything that happened in the movies was real. Everything in the books was real (well, except for the very end where things gotten somewhat spiritual). Shit was always real. Let me tell you one thing - I watched this to see horrible and bloody things that are happening. Not horrible and bloody things that are being imagined. Simple as that.
My third problem would be the total disregard for any kind of story we saw in a book. I mean, yeas, there are parts that look familiar. However, Shrike was killed way before Lecter met Graham, Chesapeake Ripper insident is turned all around, and some poor girl in a distant past now plays the part of a stand-in and a person who went to question Lecter. And the member of the orchestra is not even killed by Lecter? Come-fucking-on! This is a mess, a total mess. Honestly, what they should have done is just create some random maniacs themselves, like they did with the mushroom guy and the angel guy. Because when they even remotely try to touch something that is canon, they trample all over it.
In the end, the series are well made. But from the moral or esthetic point of view it's utter shit. I had to mentally block-out the names of the characters as they were talking to each other. That's how bad it is. Still, violence scenes were pretty good, so I can't say I didn't get my share of the fun. Then again, why? Why couldn't they just create some original characters and not rape the ones that I actually like?
You know what? I honestly hope there will be some hardcore fan who would find the director and screen-writer of this and cut their organs out.