- Open the door.
- Get on the floor.
- Everybody walk the dinosaur.
Trev joined on Jul 25th, 2011, since that has made 715 posts that are still accessible today, 54 of which are threads. Helping shape the community, Trev has given 849 upvotes, and was last online on Dec 5th, 2013.
You are so wrapped up in your current assessment of the situation that you really can't see it any other way. I really understand why you're upset but suspend disbelief for a few days and pretend that our motivation in doing things this way wasn't entirely selfish. It'll make sense soon enough.
All I see is you letting Trev shit upon this site because he has many reasons to hate the community.
For the record, I don't hate anybody who hasn't attacked me or my close friends personally. In the time between the sale announcement and now I have been on chat, making threads, even being civil to the people who defame me. But that list has enough people on it for me to not like coming here. Still, I would not sabotage the entirety of the site for a few bad apples.
Additionally, the fact that certain people don't like Rune isn't reason enough not to sell the site to him. It's not up to us to make this a popularity contest. I have full faith and confidence in all of the people I've talked to so far about buying the site that they would continue to maintain it and moderate it well. The person who did not believably express that he would take care of the site, I turned down. But you didn't hear about that, did you?
You didn't hear about it because it was supposed to be confidential. No one was even supposed to know who the other prospective buyers were, as they asked to have their identities protected. I suppose in that regard it was foolish to entrust anyone on staff with any of their names, considering their own interests in the deal. Rune was never supposed to be placed at such an unfair disadvantage by negative PR because he was never supposed to be publicly named. Rest assured I did not make the same mistake twice.
First of all, if you insist on avoiding everyone who spies on you, you shouldn't even use anything Google, because Google, like the Anonymous, never forgets. And never deletes archives. And Google has been doing it for much longer. Yet you go to Google to have a 'secret' information transfer. Laughable. Second, what kind of self-centered person would even think that NSA would be even remotely interested in spying on you selling the site? Not even I think that highly of myself.
Trust me, the irony was not lost on me here.
And that's another thing that you have always failed - communication. Not even communication with community, but communication between each other.
I don't think anyone has ever accused ZF of having good communication. I can readily concede that point. The entire problem arose out of people in the group alienating themselves from open communication channels and acting unilaterally, and all three of us are to blame for that. There's no debate there. Being in three different timezones and on different schedules and with different moral qualms about what communication systems are appropriate makes these things unnecessarily difficult. That's why we're better suited to software as a product than being a service provider, CL being a service. So it should be no surprise, after so many miscommunications (made public by the unscrupulous) that we would want to get out of the business.
But I have to address one of your points of attack. I would never brag about being the owner of CL. It is a liability and a burden to be the custodian of a site like this, not a point of pride. With every perceived mistake it grows more thankless, and people like you who get your joy from publicizing and immortalizing every mistake definitely don't help with that. But that was the plan, wasn't it?
@hellstorm901 -- If greed was the real motivator here we would have reinstituted ads and tried much, much harder to make an outside sale. There's a reason we did what we did and I'll be able to explain it to you in more detail once the sale is final, if you can hold out for that long.
You want an honest answer, DC?
Do you really want me to answer this question honestly? There is a really, really good answer.
We weren't on Skype because @Gargron insisted on using G+ at the time, since the Skype/NSA backdoor news had just broken. Since @Warlock uses GMail, he had every opportunity to get any of the messages sent to the chat group in which he was included. The fact that he didn't see them even weeks later raises a lot of questions, but I digress.
When Warlock told everybody "Hey guys they're giving me the site" it was because @acostoss had told him it was "all but final." This was not a true statement when he said it, it isn't true now, and it wasn't final then. I understand Jesse trying to smooth things over with the transaction but it had never been anything other than a last resort in the case that we could not sell the site.
When Warlock admitted that he may not necessarily have the money to keep the site up if donations ran dry, and @Rune offered to buy the site, I didn't know Jesse had said the above, so naturally I gave him the opportunity to buy.
Enter community and outrage. Not only had incorrect information been leaked, but everybody with a personal stake in it comes up with torches and pitchforks about what a horrible person I am. I wasn't playing dumb for the first few days -- I really didn't know anything about it. It genuinely caught me by surprise and believe me, I was furious that we had fucked this up. But it wasn't deceit.
So when I find out that two separate things had been said to two separate people, I decided to settle the issue as fairly as possible. Whoever can financially support the site the best can have it. And there's only one way to measure that. Rune gets a fair opportunity to buy the site and so does Warlock.
At the end of the day the community is mobilized and it is all but certain how the sale of the site will proceed. @Warlock becomes the new owner, @DarkChaplain becomes the most powerful person on the site and bans me permanently, and everybody rejoices in the short term. DarkChaplain and @Kirn are interested in a regime that won't result in their exile. Regardless of what I think personally of how they treat other people abusively and chase off new members, shortly it won't be my problem anymore.
I'm sure Kirn has some kind of profanity laden answer to this -- spare me. I don't care.
So, one question remains: why do it all in public? Why mobilize people back to the site for views and pagerank in the name of drama?
Because CL lives on drama.
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You didn't understand when I started, but you'll understand when it's finished.
It's better this way. At least get your facts straight.
I'd say the high mark for WoW was Wrath, and Mists of Pandaria was when they jumped the shark. And it's sad how predictably MMO creators ruin their games, but it's inevitable.
WoW took some pretty serious liberties with the lore in the name of balance in Wrath (tauren druids? really?) but those had a valid gameplay reason and were tolerable. Cataclysm had a lot of potential but Deathwing just wasn't all that interesting. Now Garrosh taking over the Horde and Jaina going fucking crazy, though, that was too far.
The only way to improve is to play. Though I think playing with Gold - Diamond players every day in normals has really helped